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Post by maaahty on Nov 28, 2010 3:05:55 GMT -5
just another reason that I (heart) Rich Kern. and if we accept his top 16 as seeds (after people stroke out about UNI being the 3 seed) you would get 1 Florida 8 USC 9 Dayton (Host) 16 LSU 2 Stanford 7 Minnesota 10 Cal 15 Purdue 3 Northern Iowa 6 Illinois 11 Hawaii 14 Tennessee 4 Nebraska 5 Penn State 12 Texas 13 Duke If they switch Penn State and Illinois, or Texas and Hawaii, the committee could get 16 seeds without even having to think for themselves! I TOO LOVE RICH. I want to ask about that premise "of we accept the RKPI" historically how much if at all particularly with top sixteen seeding will the Committee vary if at all in terms of the sixteen teams who host? Do they just grab the top 16 in the RKPI, or is there usually maybe one surprise or head scratcher, two surprises, zero surprises (which would be akin to the NCAA Hockey selection show- it has no reason for existing - as among the NCAA hockey community it is known t be an absolute joke as computers make ALL the decisions (even seedings and where each team goes). Three websites have the formulas so every team knows before the show whether they were able to earn one of the at-large bids or not (to the extent you can play out every convcievable scenario coming into the final weekend on two of them trying hypotheticsal wins and losses and consolation matches, all of which affect each other, in a feature called YOU ARE THE COMMITTEE to see IF there is a scenario that gets a team you have interest in into the field and if so how) and they have not deviated in almost a decade even once and the only think that teams learn and committee HAS THE POWER TO DO is they can do is move teams to avoid intra conference first round matchups but only if they keep their seeding integrity intact)! How much personal debate will come into play NOT so much on the last few bubble teams but on the 16 hosts or can we put the RKPI in as our sixteen hosts right now? Thanks, Scott I think this RKPI makes it more likely than not the ACC does indeed get a 5th team in, with the cut coming after Va Tech... Surprised but happy Miami passes UNC, Duke is only ACC to host but UNC and Miami are likely to be put in as 2s in brackets that dont have UNBEATABLE ones, just as if they had been 15 & 16 as opposed to 17 & 18 people would be saying that about them. For the 2 seed do they take geography and finance of travel into account as much as they do for the 3 & 4 inside a given host as I know NCAA baseball won't look at it for the 2 as they consider the 2 a viable winner to emerge but the 3 & 4 being longshots NCAA Baseball takes travel expense and geography into account much more than whether a team is a 66 AQ or an 85 AQ on the grid. Please give me the rationale used by the NCAA volleyball committee on both a) the amount of wiggle room they use if any for the sixteen seeds, and b) filling out a region after the one-- how close to a genuine S-curve do they try to stick? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 28, 2010 3:11:17 GMT -5
Please give me the rationale used by the NCAA volleyball committee on both a) the amount of wiggle room they use if any for the sixteen seeds, and b) filling out a region after the one-- how close to a genuine S-curve do they try to stick? I guess we'll find out in about 12 hours, so i'm not sure speculation right now is going to be all that useful. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 6:49:35 GMT -5
I want to ask about that premise "of we accept the RKPI" historically how much if at all particularly with top sixteen seeding will the Committee vary if at all in terms of the sixteen teams who host? Do they just grab the top 16 in the RKPI, or is there ... Last year, the top 13 (and 14 of the top 16) RKPI teams were seeded (#14 Notre Dame and #15 FIU were replaced by #22 Hawaii (seeded #12) and #26 Oregon (seeded #14), respectively. Eleven of the top 16 RKPI teams (as well as of the 16 seeds) hosted the first two rounds. Those seeded teams not hosting (Washington, California, Minnesota, Hawaii and Oregon) were replaced by teams (Colorado State, Ohio State, Tennessee, USC and Kentucky) more geographically accessible to other participating teams under the NCAA WVB guidelines. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 28, 2010 9:15:14 GMT -5
In last week's rpi comparison, rkpi missed badly on Western Mich having them 8 spots too low. Did this get fixed?
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 28, 2010 10:02:30 GMT -5
Re who hosts the first two rounds, historically there are 4 to 5 hosts that are not seeded. Regarding who gets seeded, annually Florida and Hawaii are teams that could be better than their RPI, although the SEC has picked up it's game a bit, obviously.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 28, 2010 10:07:42 GMT -5
I don't see Hawaii getting seeded better than their RPI this year. The quality of their non-conf schedule doesn't compare to other years, and they lost to the only top 20 team they played.
The committee looks for good wins.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Nov 28, 2010 12:09:11 GMT -5
I want to ask about that premise "of we accept the RKPI" historically how much if at all particularly with top sixteen seeding will the Committee vary if at all in terms of the sixteen teams who host? Do they just grab the top 16 in the RKPI, or is there ... Last year, the top 13 (and 14 of the top 16) RKPI teams were seeded (#14 Notre Dame and #15 FIU were replaced by #22 Hawaii (seeded #12) and #26 Oregon (seeded #14), respectively. Eleven of the top 16 RKPI teams (as well as of the 16 seeds) hosted the first two rounds. Those seeded teams not hosting (Washington, California, Minnesota, Hawaii and Oregon) were replaced by teams (Colorado State, Ohio State, Tennessee, USC and Kentucky) more geographically accessible to other participating teams under the NCAA WVB guidelines. This is a good point, and it applies to the teams invited as well as to the teams seeded. I've said here, along with others, that Washington won't be seeded; well, I haven't looked up historical precedent, but at AVCA #13 and Pablo #10 I think it's conceivable. I'm sure there will be cries of outrage either way. Consider Saint Mary's (RKPI 60 but Pablo #20 and barely outside AVCA ranking), or Oregon (RKPI 55 but AVCA 24 and Pablo 33). A pessimist would say they're not getting invitations, but as of this morning I'm not so sure. We'll all know fairly soon. |
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Post by Rich Kern on Nov 28, 2010 12:21:54 GMT -5
In last week's rpi comparison, rkpi missed badly on Western Mich having them 8 spots too low. Did this get fixed? Yes, the NCAA fixed it's problem  I had a record of 22-9 at the time of the last RPI and NCAA had 22-8. I now have a record of 22-10 and they have a record of 22-10. They apparently didn’t have one of the matches in the system that I did at the time and they have now added it so we should match up closer now. |
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Post by umrebelcj on Nov 28, 2010 13:30:43 GMT -5
Interesting: three consecutive SEC teams on the very edge of consideration: 43 Ole Miss, 44 Auburn, 45 Kentucky. Does Kentucky have an edge because of the recent hot streak, or does Ole Miss have the better shot? Auburn is 1-3 against UK and UM, Kentucky is 2-2 against UA and UM, and Ole Miss is 3-1 against UK and UA. Should be interesting.
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Post by TDCincy on Nov 28, 2010 13:37:14 GMT -5
I am just not used to the 1st SEC replies coming from someone other than TN or FLA supporters. Nice season Ole Miss!
[glow=red,2,300]GO LADY VOLS![/glow]
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 28, 2010 13:37:41 GMT -5
Look at their non-conf. I think Kentucky has the clear advantage
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Post by TDCincy on Nov 28, 2010 13:40:14 GMT -5
Look at their non-conf. I think Kentucky has the clear advantage Yes, & I think KY win over LSU last week made it for them. |
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Post by umrebelcj on Nov 28, 2010 13:40:46 GMT -5
I am just not used to the 1st SEC replies coming from someone other than TN or FLA supporters. Nice season Ole Miss! [glow=red,2,300]GO LADY VOLS![/glow]Baha. Watch out for us next season! |
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Post by TDCincy on Nov 28, 2010 14:20:36 GMT -5
I like their last news report:
Rebels Fall To No. 21 Tennessee, Await NCAA Bid
Philpot Puts Down Triple-Double In Loss To Lady Vols
& Philpots a Cincinnatian... good player
[glow=red,2,300]GO LADY VOLS![/glow]
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Post by umrebelcj on Nov 28, 2010 14:35:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I've been really impressed with Philpot. Interestingly, two of our four commits right now are setters, but Philpot's just a sophomore. We all have our fingers crossed down here....9 more minutes...
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