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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 15:42:25 GMT -5
You keep saying that, holiday, and it still isn't true.
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 12, 2010 15:42:37 GMT -5
Youre funny, and clearly still young. You can't CAUSE another person to act poorly. John is responsible for what he said, Jim is responsible for how he reacted. Period. You are saying that JMAC isnt responsible for his outburst, he is. No... I'm saying that THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO OUTBURST HAD JOHN JUST KEPT HIS DAMN MOUTH SHUT AND ACCEPTED THE DEFEAT WITH DIGNITY AND CLASS.I hope that was more clear... And if you think that Cook really didn't cause the situation, you're more biased than I originally thought (no offense). JMac would not have reacted that way had John not made such a sarcastic, condescending comment. Cook caused the altercation. JMac reacted poorly, yes, but nothing would have happened if it wasn't for Class-Act-Cook. LOL, you just said the exact same thing, that Cooks comment caused JMAC to do what he did. As I said, youre funny. Im a parent, and I know this for sure, if it were my kid, this is what I would say. " I dont give a damn what he said, you are accountable for your own actions" His comment is on him, your response is on you. Nobody can cause you to make bad decisions, dont let what people say or do, define you. "Be a man, and be accountable" Hypothetical Defendant:"He called my mom a bad name, so I punched him and broke his nose" Judge: "guilty"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 15:44:15 GMT -5
keystone, is it OK if I blame you for all the asinine things I've said in the last 4 years?
It'd help me out, a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 15:46:44 GMT -5
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO OUTBURST HAD JOHN JUST KEPT HIS DAMN MOUTH SHUT AND ACCEPTED THE DEFEAT WITH DIGNITY AND CLASS.
I'm just trying to make it clear...
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 12, 2010 15:46:48 GMT -5
keystone, is it OK if I blame you for all the asinine things I've said in the last 4 years? It'd help me out, a lot. LOL! if that helps you sleep at night. I think youre bigger than that, and appreciate the humor.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 12, 2010 15:50:10 GMT -5
We all know it is better to be the guy who ignores the jerk and takes the high road. But I firmly believe that it makes for a better world when occasionally the jerk gets his butt whipped by somebody who decides, "Today is the day I'm not going to let you get away with that."
I'm sure McLaughlin wishes he had treated Cook with the disdain that Cook's comment earned. But he didn't. Oh well, what's done is done.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 12, 2010 15:50:54 GMT -5
In legal terminology for liability cases, there is: "But for..". In this case, but for Cook's comments, there would have been no altercation.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 12, 2010 15:52:04 GMT -5
Hypothetical Defendant:"He called my mom a bad name, so I punched him and broke his nose" Judge: "guilty" A legal concept for you to check out: "fighting words"
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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 12, 2010 16:14:42 GMT -5
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO OUTBURST HAD JOHN JUST KEPT HIS DAMN MOUTH SHUT AND ACCEPTED THE DEFEAT WITH DIGNITY AND CLASS.I'm just trying to make it clear... ....as if big letters makes you have more sense? Its like a lady making excuses for her wife -beater husband and saying..." I shouldn't have provoked him."
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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 12, 2010 16:16:56 GMT -5
We all know it is better to be the guy who ignores the jerk and takes the high road. But I firmly believe that it makes for a better world when occasionally the jerk gets his butt whipped by somebody who decides, "Today is the day I'm not going to let you get away with that." I'm sure McLaughlin wishes he had treated Cook with the disdain that Cook's comment earned. But he didn't. Oh well, what's done is done. Are you kidding? All because he made a comment about the ball being in or out. We all say things occassionally if we are competitive. Every one of us. Does that mean who we say it to had a license to react physically?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 16:29:28 GMT -5
You guys should try creating more hypothetical scenarios which have nothing to do with the actual situation. They make soooo much sense and are really relevant, too.
I'll just accept it: Nebraska fans are not going to admit that John should've kept his trap closed and if he had, nothing would have happened between them. They believe that JMac is just a wild son-of-a-bitch who randomly attacks other coaches after beating them without provocation.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 12, 2010 16:36:06 GMT -5
Actually, the only thing it shows is that in true midwest fashion, they are willing to circle the wagons around one of their own.
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Post by lionsarm on Dec 12, 2010 16:39:35 GMT -5
two things, can it be verified that all cook said was "that ball was out"? from his press conference about "500 uw fans told me it was out", i suspect that might be a little hyperbolic... so i wonder whether cook left out some other details he might have said to jmac.
secondly, if you say anything other than "nice match" or "good luck", you're instigating for some type of reaction. simply because for what other reasonable excuse would you say something like that? what if jmac reacted to the alleged comment by simply saying "nice match", we wouldn't have heard about cook's behavior.
as others have pointed out, jmac not wanting to talk about the incident afterwards is most likely a recognition, whether forced or not, that how he reacted was inappropriate. however, cook's comments during the media interview of "all i said..." and "500 fans told me" shows his immaturity and inability to recognize the silliness of his comment to the opposing coach.
what if immediately after the match, every single nebraska player said "that ball was out" while shaking the UW's players hands as opposed to just saying "nice match". as a coach, would cook condone that behavior of his players?
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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 12, 2010 16:40:59 GMT -5
You guys should try creating more hypothetical scenarios which have nothing to do with the actual situation. They make soooo much sense and are really relevant, too. I'll just accept it: Nebraska fans are not going to admit that John should've kept his trap closed and if he had, nothing would have happened between them. They believe that JMac is just a wild son-of-a-bitch who randomly attacks other coaches after beating them without provocation. Find a Nebraska fan who hasn't said that John should have kept his mouth shut. That is not what this discussion is about.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 12, 2010 16:43:35 GMT -5
You aren't discussing it because it is not convenient to your argument.
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