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Post by cbrown1709 on Jan 19, 2022 15:47:35 GMT -5
Did you get to watch them in Chicago? No, I didn't watch them. They won the tournament and got a bid to USAV nationals. Prepvolleyball.com said both Rubin and Belardi were top performers. I plan to attend an 18s SoCal PVL tournament this coming weekend and will give an update on Rubin if there is anything worth reporting. I wish there were videos of the finals.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 19, 2022 16:42:08 GMT -5
804 career digs is a lot of digs for someone that never played defense at Stanford. Go home, noob. And that averages out to 1.87 digs a game for her career at Stanford… so yea, defense was never her strong suit at Stanford. gostanford.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/rachel-williams/7213Does career dig/s really even tell the whole story? She averaged 3.10 digs/set in 2011 and 2.60 digs/et in 2013. 0.76 in 2010 and 0.88 in 2012. Dig/s can often be misleading, but, I'm not sure I remember a player in the PAC having 3 dig/s in a season and being a quite poor defensive player.
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Post by waynevb1 on Jan 19, 2022 19:03:03 GMT -5
Hmm, I always liked Rachel Williams. But to be honest, there were often times I preferred Morgan Boukather. Rubin, Blyashov, and Harvey I guess is a nice pin trio. But does it sound a bit too much like Burgess, Howard, and Williams? That's not a bad thing, but where are 1st team AA's Inky and Wopat on the current roster and immediate future? I loved those pin players, but without those middles, those 2013-2014 teams would've been very average. Sorry if I'm sounding negative. Just spit-balling thoughts here. And without Burgess & Howard's passing, we would have never been able to actually run the middle. I think we take for granted how good those 2013/2014 teams were because they got knocked out by Penn State, but they played some amazing volleyball IMO. Good job missing the point, which was this... If this next crop of OH recruits are the latest versions of Burgess, Howard, and Williams, then where on the current roster or recruiting radar are the latest versions of Inky and Wopat? I don't see a current or future MB that has 1st team AA potential (to be fair to L Smith, we really haven't seen her at all yet). Yes, those 2013-14 teams were really good (I'll agree with you all day long about that), but they were nothing without their middles. And that's partially due to the fact that there wasn't a true OH1 on the roster who could carry a huge offensive load by herself (a true national team caliber OH). As great as Burgess/Howard were, they weren't Folkl, Tom, Nnamani, Richards, Barboza, Klineman, Plummer. That type of pin hitter was the ONE thing those 2013-14 teams were missing.
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Post by chisovnik on Jan 19, 2022 21:01:33 GMT -5
And that averages out to 1.87 digs a game for her career at Stanford… so yea, defense was never her strong suit at Stanford. Read what the poster before you said & get back to me. They said she NEVER played defense or passed. I never said defense was her strong suit, but she was a solid six rotation player for two of her years on the Farm. So, yeah... Okay, fair point, I'll concede that part. She played 6 rotations a few times. 3 rotation player her freshman year, did some more 6 rotation stuff her sophomore year, but played 3 rotations almost exclusively as a junior/senior when Burgess/Howard started handling all of the passing. Anyway, you're missing the point. Williams did many good things, but 'solid 6 rotation player' is not how anyone would describe her. She was a very good 3 rotation front row player, similar to Fields right now. But her backrow skills were not better than Kipp's and certainly not better than Baird's. So, yeah......you're an idiot if you "miss" her passing/defense.
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Jan 20, 2022 8:47:58 GMT -5
Read what the poster before you said & get back to me. They said she NEVER played defense or passed. I never said defense was her strong suit, but she was a solid six rotation player for two of her years on the Farm. So, yeah... Okay, fair point, I'll concede that part. She played 6 rotations a few times. 3 rotation player her freshman year, did some more 6 rotation stuff her sophomore year, but played 3 rotations almost exclusively as a junior/senior when Burgess/Howard started handling all of the passing. Anyway, you're missing the point. Williams did many good things, but 'solid 6 rotation player' is not how anyone would describe her. She was a very good 3 rotation front row player, similar to Fields right now. But her backrow skills were not better than Kipp's and certainly not better than Baird's. So, yeah......you're an idiot if you "miss" her passing/defense. The fact that you just said Kipp's backrow skills are better than Williams' tells me everything. For the record, I don't need the synopsis of Williams' career. I watched it from start to finish. Also, she played all six rotations her senior year. I'm not missing anything. I stand by what I said when I say she's a solid six rotation player. She would play over Baird in a heartbeat & she would play backrow over Kipp just as easily. The Fields comparison is uneducated & shows your lack of research & volleyball education. When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Stay classy.
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Jan 20, 2022 8:52:12 GMT -5
And without Burgess & Howard's passing, we would have never been able to actually run the middle. I think we take for granted how good those 2013/2014 teams were because they got knocked out by Penn State, but they played some amazing volleyball IMO. Good job missing the point, which was this... If this next crop of OH recruits are the latest versions of Burgess, Howard, and Williams, then where on the current roster or recruiting radar are the latest versions of Inky and Wopat? I don't see a current or future MB that has 1st team AA potential (to be fair to L Smith, we really haven't seen her at all yet). Yes, those 2013-14 teams were really good (I'll agree with you all day long about that), but they were nothing without their middles. And that's partially due to the fact that there wasn't a true OH1 on the roster who could carry a huge offensive load by herself (a true national team caliber OH). As great as Burgess/Howard were, they weren't Folkl, Tom, Nnamani, Richards, Barboza, Klineman, Plummer. That type of pin hitter was the ONE thing those 2013-14 teams were missing. I understand completely what you're saying about the middles now vs. then, but all I'm saying is that without the passing of Burgess, Howard, & Williams, the middles in 2013/2014 wouldn't have been as dominant as they were. So, I think you are in fact the one missing the point I'm trying to make. Saying that a team is nothing without two players is just silly. It takes a whole team to make the system work & I think you agree with that as you referenced the lack of a huge offensively loaded OH, which, I agree with.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jan 20, 2022 13:16:17 GMT -5
Okay, fair point, I'll concede that part. She played 6 rotations a few times. 3 rotation player her freshman year, did some more 6 rotation stuff her sophomore year, but played 3 rotations almost exclusively as a junior/senior when Burgess/Howard started handling all of the passing. Anyway, you're missing the point. Williams did many good things, but 'solid 6 rotation player' is not how anyone would describe her. She was a very good 3 rotation front row player, similar to Fields right now. But her backrow skills were not better than Kipp's and certainly not better than Baird's. So, yeah......you're an idiot if you "miss" her passing/defense. The Fields comparison is uneducated & shows your lack of research & volleyball education.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Stay classy. Agreed. You ever notice it's the non-Stanford posters who sidetrack the thread (and some regulars seem to just bend over)? As for the comment that started this cluster----? Jordyn Harvey, Class of 2023: MaxPreps, which I trust way more than PVB, has her #2 overall in UT; #85 nationally. I first heard her name associated with future SU recruiting 1-2 yrs. ago. Her overall stats (K, K%, TB, D, A) are well above the national average. A McClure-ish OH2. I'd take her, Blyashov + Kurt anytime!
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Post by stanfankev on Jan 20, 2022 13:30:32 GMT -5
I haven't seen much video of Kurt. She looks pretty dynamic. I wonder where she fits in though. Would she start over Kipp? I don't know. Would she move to OH? Can she pass? Or does she wait for Kipp to graduate? We'll have tons of options on the pins in 2023. Where does Kurt go?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jan 20, 2022 16:06:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen much video of Kurt. She looks pretty dynamic. I wonder where she fits in though. Would she start over Kipp? I don't know. Would she move to OH? Can she pass? Or does she wait for Kipp to graduate? We'll have tons of options on the pins in 2023. Where does Kurt go? As I remember, gostanford.com had an article implying that Kipp wants to stay through 2023. Well, in Ipar Kurt's case, she could be learning from a great RS during her Freshman season, then take over at OPP come 2024. Ipar Kurt was named MVP of the 2020 Women's U19 Volleyball European Championship, where her Turkish squad won the gold. That is no small accomplishment: not a participation trophy!
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Post by stanfankev on Jan 20, 2022 16:19:29 GMT -5
I haven't seen much video of Kurt. She looks pretty dynamic. I wonder where she fits in though. Would she start over Kipp? I don't know. Would she move to OH? Can she pass? Or does she wait for Kipp to graduate? We'll have tons of options on the pins in 2023. Where does Kurt go? As I remember, gostanford.com had an article implying that Kipp wants to stay through 2023. Well, in Ipar Kurt's case, she could be learning from a great RS during her Freshman season, then take over at OPP come 2024. Ipar Kurt was named MVP of the 2020 Women's U19 Volleyball European Championship, where her Turkish squad won the gold. That is no small accomplishment: not a participation trophy! I'm excited to have her, IF she choses Stanford.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 20, 2022 16:20:03 GMT -5
I haven't seen much video of Kurt. She looks pretty dynamic. I wonder where she fits in though. Would she start over Kipp? I don't know. Would she move to OH? Can she pass? Or does she wait for Kipp to graduate? We'll have tons of options on the pins in 2023. Where does Kurt go? She wants to play OH... but doesn't pass (well) so shes been moved to opposite. Nothing a DS can't fix.
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Post by stanfankev on Jan 20, 2022 16:27:03 GMT -5
I haven't seen much video of Kurt. She looks pretty dynamic. I wonder where she fits in though. Would she start over Kipp? I don't know. Would she move to OH? Can she pass? Or does she wait for Kipp to graduate? We'll have tons of options on the pins in 2023. Where does Kurt go? She wants to play OH... but doesn't pass (well) so shes been moved to opposite. Nothing a DS can't fix. Just what we need. Another OH that can't pass. lol Do you think she goes where she's "promised" an OH spot?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 20, 2022 16:33:23 GMT -5
She wants to play OH... but doesn't pass (well) so shes been moved to opposite. Nothing a DS can't fix. Just what we need. Another OH that can't pass. lol Do you think she goes where she's "promised" an OH spot? i doubt it. I would assume academics are more important. She wants to study naval engineering... or something in the water lol She's played both spots for Fenerbahce and the youth national team.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jan 20, 2022 17:52:46 GMT -5
An open letter question to long-term SU followers (28+ years here). Did anybody really think there wasn't going to be a downturn after the 2019 class graduated? I mean 2020* (Spring '21; 2-8 record) doesn't really count, and the true 2021 season (19-11; 2nd round) went about how I felt it would, predictively. At Stanford, the probability of deep NCAA runs, plus championships, is the only "bar" which I pay attention to. THOSE are not gimmes...just ask Coach Cook how hard winning an NC truly is...or John Dunning during "the drought"! I feel getting Rubin/Belardi will be a start to improving the backrow and team D. Keep recruiting!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 18:06:35 GMT -5
I haven't seen much video of Kurt. She looks pretty dynamic. I wonder where she fits in though. Would she start over Kipp? I don't know. Would she move to OH? Can she pass? Or does she wait for Kipp to graduate? We'll have tons of options on the pins in 2023. Where does Kurt go? As I remember, gostanford.com had an article implying that Kipp wants to stay through 2023. Well, in Ipar Kurt's case, she could be learning from a great RS during her Freshman season, then take over at OPP come 2024. Ipar Kurt was named MVP of the 2020 Women's U19 Volleyball European Championship, where her Turkish squad won the gold. That is no small accomplishment: not a participation trophy! meh. The best teams in Europe weren’t even at that event. Still a somewhat nice accomplishment but not quite what it sounds like.
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