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Post by hammer on Dec 11, 2022 16:41:09 GMT -5
I am with you. I hope she has no consequences. When I saw a replay of her fall, it looked to me like a possible concussion. Wishing her the best. Given the concussion protocol issues from five or so years ago, you would think Stanford WV of all teams would be especially cautious when they see a player smack the back of her head on the side of a table. The announcer even said "you could hear that all through the arena", more or less. I'm actually shocked she wasn't pulled for a play or two to give her concussion protocol tests. It's quite possible, probable even, that she was fine and did not concuss, but you certainly never take the player's word for it. I have a question and I'm not sure who is responsible. Why would you set up tables that close to the playing surface that don't have sufficient padding? Talk about violating common sense and safety 101. The legs of those tables were metal and therefore dangerous. Not sure of the top surfaces, either composite or plastic, but still hard enough to injure. Another safety issue was the one or two inch rise in the Taraflex floor vs the wood floor. If your going to use Taraflex, then Taraflex the whole floor!!!!
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Post by FTLOG on Dec 11, 2022 17:01:12 GMT -5
Maybe Stanford needs to improve their opponent hitting percentage next year, as well, however you do that. I know they played a tough schedule and maybe have good individual defensive pieces, but I feel like most championship-caliber teams don't let opponents, even the mediocre ones, hit 200 on the season. I dunno, though, I don't really play or coach; just watch, so maybe this isn't that important of a metric?
Still, super proud of how they did this year and can't wait for next year.
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Post by faircritic on Dec 11, 2022 17:02:26 GMT -5
Agree on playing Texas. And if Stanford had won that, they would face the real juggernaut of Louisville or Pittsburgy. I love both of those teams but I really think Stanford could take either of them. We saw Chaussee get exploited in passing and slowed down by the block, imagine her matched up with Kipp/Francis. Not to mention inconsistent setting. Same thing with Pitt, I think Stanford’s block can neutralize their OHs which is where they are weakest True about Chausse. But that was just the one game. Did you see the Louisville game against Pitt a couple of weeks ago? They were fearsome. More importantly, at least in my mind, the Louisville defense is significanlty better than Stanford's. I have seen them, time an again, execute seemingly impossible plays that require instantaneous reactions in very rapid succession.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 11, 2022 17:26:15 GMT -5
I love both of those teams but I really think Stanford could take either of them. We saw Chaussee get exploited in passing and slowed down by the block, imagine her matched up with Kipp/Francis. Not to mention inconsistent setting. Same thing with Pitt, I think Stanford’s block can neutralize their OHs which is where they are weakest True about Chausse. But that was just the one game. Did you see the Louisville game against Pitt a couple of weeks ago? They were fearsome. More importantly, at least in my mind, the Louisville defense is significanlty better than Stanford's. I have seen them, time an again, execute seemingly impossible plays that require instantaneous reactions in very rapid succession. this. Louisville seems to make so many stab after stab plays and somehow the ball makes it back over. it seems like luck but they have multiple per match
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Post by volleylbc on Dec 11, 2022 18:32:37 GMT -5
Baird has what it takes to be lights out, but consistency is what she lacks. I’m actually really happy we have some absolute hammers coming in next year. They will either push Baird to be the best she can be consistently OR they will push her to the side. Glad to have her on our side but I also just want to win so whoever ends up taking that OH spot next years needs to come in from day 1 and get after it.
As we see the woman’s game moving more towards the men’s game, I’m glad Stanford has mostly tried to develop 6 rototation pins. I think 2016 with Vanjak was the last time we didn’t use a 6ro OH. 2020* and 21 kinda don’t count lol
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 11, 2022 18:47:15 GMT -5
props to Oglivie. Stanford seems to be overshadowed by how good Kipp is and how inconsistent Baird is, but the unsung hero this year was Oglivie in the L uniform. rock solid.
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 11, 2022 19:00:35 GMT -5
props to Oglivie. Stanford seems to be overshadowed by how good Kipp is and how inconsistent Baird is, but the unsung hero this year was Oglivie in the L uniform. rock solid. I agree. Much improved
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Post by Sbilo on Dec 11, 2022 19:10:15 GMT -5
props to Oglivie. Stanford seems to be overshadowed by how good Kipp is and how inconsistent Baird is, but the unsung hero this year was Oglivie in the L uniform. rock solid. I agree. She is the very main reason why Stanford was very good this season. Glad we still have her for 2 more seasons.
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Post by Sbilo on Dec 11, 2022 19:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by nonathleticperson on Dec 11, 2022 20:40:24 GMT -5
That was a fun match. I stated it at the beginning of the year and I think it proved true... Stanford's success will be determined by Baird's and Miner's connection, both of which I thought were very underwhelming. Miner sprays the ball a lot for someone with such a stiff and robotic technique. A recipe for disaster with Baird, who needs consistent location and pace.
Kipp did what she could. It's not realistic to expect her to do more given how the rest of the team lacked offense. She knows she has to get better and I think she will for next year. When you swing a lot, you'll also get blocked alot, and that's just how the game (and the 5th set) went.
Oglivle was very good. Her ability to read the ball and be so efficient in her movement is stellar. She has incredible touch, but I think a passing playstyle/technique like that requires absolute mastery or adequate team support. You'll see at the pro game that you don't need perfect digs to generate OOS swings because the outsides and OOS setting is much better. However, in this game there were a lot of 'okay' digs by Oglivle that ended up as simple roll shots or free-balls. One more year with Kipp getting better at OOS, Oglivle getting better with her touch, and also improvements from Rubin (and Baird), and Stanford is looking spooky for next year. EDIT: as an aside, I think an extra year at Stanford is needed for Kipp. I think she gets eaten at the pro game currently, and further refinement in a 'safe' environment is only going to do her a lot of good.
San Diego is fun. They are just... good. everywhere. What separated them from Stanford is the ability to generate offense out of system. They simply took braver and stronger swings and were rewarded. I'll be cheering for them all the way.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 11, 2022 20:49:01 GMT -5
props to Oglivie. Stanford seems to be overshadowed by how good Kipp is and how inconsistent Baird is, but the unsung hero this year was Oglivie in the L uniform. rock solid. 1000%. I knew her numbers were up, but I didn’t realize how much she got better by until I saw her in person. Incredible. I was literally working the game and felt like I should’ve been the one paying. She was lights out against us.
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Dec 11, 2022 21:19:14 GMT -5
Louisville’s Dani Busboom Kelly and Pittsburgh’s Dan Fisher have turned previously low-key programs into national juggernauts. They may be soon joined by San Diego’s Jennifer Petrie. They achieved this by smartly identifying otherwise undetected talent and coaching them into fluid on-the-court dynamics. Raiding national teams is tantamount to outsourcing recruitment to coaches who you believe are better than you at identifying talent. National juggernauts is a strong way to describe Louisville & Pittsburgh. Let's give it a few more years. Cal had a good four-five years as well & we see how that's translated over the last decade.
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Post by hammer on Dec 11, 2022 22:46:35 GMT -5
I think either Kurt of Blyashov will push Baird aside unless Baird returns to her 2021 form. Perhaps if Baird has an undisclosed chronic injury, and it heals during the offseason, then we might see an even better Baird in 2023.
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Post by jgrout on Dec 12, 2022 0:18:47 GMT -5
Fisher got Gray from Penn St. Petrie got Blossom from Penn St. That is not raiding national teams, but it certainly is not "smartly identifiying otherwise undetected talent". Unfortunately for Stanford, short of a walk on graduate student middle like Gates, transfers just don't work within the space athletics occupies within the overall academic mission.This is a much greater structural disadvantage than tough admissions plays with freshman recruits... and I think that national shift in recruitment patterns will make it much harder going forward for Stanford to fill holes and needs as easily every other DI program. I agree with this but I think a lot of this stems from not being able to build more student and faculty housing. Right now, they only admit the number of transfers equal to the number of students who left before graduating, which is very small. (27 students in 2019) Given the housing situation, if they admitted more, they'd probably need to either decrease frosh admissions or increase financial aid to cover off-campus living expenses, which would cut into financial aid for other students. I can completely understand why they don't want to do either. Bottom line, they need to be able to expand the number of students, which they can't really do without more housing, which Santa Clara County opposes (and has for decades).
I don't see a good solution.I don't want Stanford to give all the (incredibly few) transfer spots to athletes. I doubt the faculty does either. Even if they did, it probably wouldn't be enough transfers to put Stanford on an equal footing with other universities.
On top of that, Arrilluga died at the beginning of this year so Stanford lost its largest sports booster. That bodes poorly for alum stepping up to organize a strong NIL coop that Stanford would get behind.
Santa Clara County would have no jurisdiction over student housing built in San Mateo County, which is just across Page Mill Road from a lot of campus. Stanford has moved lots of administrative jobs out of Santa Clara County to be able to reuse the parking they already have there for other things. It sounds absurd, but Stanford could also leave Santa Clara County. It isn't taxable, save for the portion already annexed by Palo Alto on which the shopping center sits, and it is often more of a hassle than a blessing.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 12, 2022 0:20:10 GMT -5
people need to take into account that baird passes 6 rotations for stanford, and is pretty solid at it. we dont take out our pins, so whoever will be 'replacing' baird will need to be prepared to pass at least all 3 of their front row rotation
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