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Post by gohuskervolleyball on Mar 18, 2023 23:23:10 GMT -5
Got a chance to check out the girls in Anaheim today. Kipp was the best player on the floor by a mile it wasn’t even close. She’s so physical and what I liked seeing was her use a variety of shots. High hands, Tool, Jam, hard cross, line, 10ft and pretty much OTT. It was so good to see her excel and Karch sort of looked to her for a lot of feedback. Ogilvie was a rock in reception she sort of fly under the radar because she makes everything look so easy, good positioning and reads the ball so well. Not going to jinx Baird but she looked better than NCAA season last year at times she was hitting these gnarly angles that made people gasp. If she plays like the way she did this upcoming NCAA season no one is taking her slot. The USA 0 tempo offense suited her game today. Kami was Kami.. consistent and very physical. A few other players that made my Jaw drop. Jess Muzrik, I’ve never seen her play before but have always heard the hype… well NOW I BELIEVE IT she’s a HAMMAH, so so aggressive if she can learn to pass consistently she will be a star on the USA team. Minnesotas setter, she surprised me. Her flow, location looked so elite at times and she sets very aggressively to the middle as well. Nice insight. How did the rest of the players fair? |
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Post by GoGophs23 on Mar 19, 2023 7:03:36 GMT -5
Got a chance to check out the girls in Anaheim today. Kipp was the best player on the floor by a mile it wasn’t even close. She’s so physical and what I liked seeing was her use a variety of shots. High hands, Tool, Jam, hard cross, line, 10ft and pretty much OTT. It was so good to see her excel and Karch sort of looked to her for a lot of feedback. Ogilvie was a rock in reception she sort of fly under the radar because she makes everything look so easy, good positioning and reads the ball so well. Not going to jinx Baird but she looked better than NCAA season last year at times she was hitting these gnarly angles that made people gasp. If she plays like the way she did this upcoming NCAA season no one is taking her slot. The USA 0 tempo offense suited her game today. Kami was Kami.. consistent and very physical. A few other players that made my Jaw drop. Jess Muzrik, I’ve never seen her play before but have always heard the hype… well NOW I BELIEVE IT she’s a HAMMAH, so so aggressive if she can learn to pass consistently she will be a star on the USA team. Minnesotas setter, she surprised me. Her flow, location looked so elite at times and she sets very aggressively to the middle as well. I’m going to have a fan girl moment here… but IMHO Oglivie is undoubtedly one of the best if not the best libero in the NCAAs right now because of exactly what you said - she reads extremely well. To me, a good libero makes amazing plays and keeps the ball up at all costs, a GREAT libero you barely notice on the court… they read, anticipate and get set before you even have time to notice. Even watching her do that chair drill USA had them doing she just makes it look effortless and her form is so smooth. She’s so much fun to watch. Glad to hear Shaffmaster impressed you too. She rarely gets the recognition she deserves despite making amazing improvements from season to season and putting up great stats. Also happy that Mruzik did well. She’s been flying under the radar because Michigan just didn’t have good enough setting to see her full potential.. Very excited to watch her and Mac at PSU this season, she’s going to cause a lot of trouble for teams. |
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Post by vballfreak808 on Mar 20, 2023 15:16:34 GMT -5
Stanford will make a trip to Northern Colorado in the fall in a tournament with Kentucky
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Post by bigjohn043 on Mar 21, 2023 20:22:22 GMT -5
Final installment from Chad Gordon rating the Liberos & OPP:
My first reaction to those who are criticizing him is that there are basic flaws in volleyball metrics. For instance the 0 to 3 passing rating ignores the fact that there is a pretty small difference in expected hitting % for a 2 versus a 3 pass but a big one between 2 & 1 and 1 & 0. This metric significantly overvalues perfect passes while undervaluing not making a really bad pass. FWIW, Gold Medal Squared has used this insight to teach its players to simply pass less aggressively.
The Stanford ratings and their all american status to get the conventional wisdom are:
Oglivie 8
Baird 11
Rubin 15
Vicini 8
Kipp 3
I am surprised at how high Vicini is and how low Oglivie is....
Some thoughts:
In rating liberos you look at both serve receive and defense. Not sure how you balance the two. I would think that serve receive is much more important. Oglivie for instance looks like the #3 receiver (close to 1 & 2) but apparently not nearly as good on defense.
I think you need to include activity in these ratings. Kipp hits for a high EVA but also gets a ton of balls. This is clearly better than another hitter who hits for a similar EVA but takes fewer swings. Similarly for liberos those that can take more passes at a high EVA would be better.
These ratings all ignore blocking & serving in addition to passing for the OH. A MB who can block is clearly more valuable. As is an OH who can pass. And serving matters for all positions. Something to think about adding going forward.
Really good stuff and exciting to see how these develop.
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Post by chadgordon on Mar 21, 2023 20:54:04 GMT -5
Final installment from Chad Gordon rating the Liberos & OPP: My first reaction to those who are criticizing him is that there are basic flaws in volleyball metrics. For instance the 0 to 3 passing rating ignores the fact that there is a pretty small difference in expected hitting % for a 2 versus a 3 pass but a big one between 2 & 1 and 1 & 0. This metric significantly overvalues perfect passes while undervaluing not making a really bad pass. FWIW, Gold Medal Squared has used this insight to teach its players to simply pass less aggressively. The Stanford ratings and their all american status to get the conventional wisdom are: Oglivie 8 Baird 11 Rubin 15 Vicini 8 Kipp 3 I am surprised at how high Vicini is and how low Oglivie is.... Some thoughts: In rating liberos you look at both serve receive and defense. Not sure how you balance the two. I would think that serve receive is much more important. Oglivie for instance looks like the #3 receiver (close to 1 & 2) but apparently not nearly as good on defense. I think you need to include activity in these ratings. Kipp hits for a high EVA but also gets a ton of balls. This is clearly better than another hitter who hits for a similar EVA but takes fewer swings. Similarly for liberos those that can take more passes at a high EVA would be better. These ratings all ignore blocking & serving in addition to passing for the OH. A MB who can block is clearly more valuable. As is an OH who can pass. And serving matters for all positions. Something to think about adding going forward. Really good stuff and exciting to see how these develop. FWIW the liberos are ranked by average value added per touch - so whatever their split is between reception and dig, that is how the values are weighted. One man show over here - but I'll get around to trying to put together more all-inclusive metrics for players so they don't over-focus on a specific skill. Maybe blocking will be next. Always an interesting one... Always open to feedback. Just trying to get better over here. |
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 21, 2023 21:25:37 GMT -5
Final installment from Chad Gordon rating the Liberos & OPP: My first reaction to those who are criticizing him is that there are basic flaws in volleyball metrics. For instance the 0 to 3 passing rating ignores the fact that there is a pretty small difference in expected hitting % for a 2 versus a 3 pass but a big one between 2 & 1 and 1 & 0. This metric significantly overvalues perfect passes while undervaluing not making a really bad pass. FWIW, Gold Medal Squared has used this insight to teach its players to simply pass less aggressively. The Stanford ratings and their all american status to get the conventional wisdom are: Oglivie 8 Baird 11 Rubin 15 Vicini 8 Kipp 3 I am surprised at how high Vicini is and how low Oglivie is.... Some thoughts: In rating liberos you look at both serve receive and defense. Not sure how you balance the two. I would think that serve receive is much more important. Oglivie for instance looks like the #3 receiver (close to 1 & 2) but apparently not nearly as good on defense. I think you need to include activity in these ratings. Kipp hits for a high EVA but also gets a ton of balls. This is clearly better than another hitter who hits for a similar EVA but takes fewer swings. Similarly for liberos those that can take more passes at a high EVA would be better. These ratings all ignore blocking & serving in addition to passing for the OH. A MB who can block is clearly more valuable. As is an OH who can pass. And serving matters for all positions. Something to think about adding going forward. Really good stuff and exciting to see how these develop. FWIW the liberos are ranked by average value added per touch - so whatever their split is between reception and dig, that is how the values are weighted. One man show over here - but I'll get around to trying to put together more all-inclusive metrics for players so they don't over-focus on a specific skill. Maybe blocking will be next. Always an interesting one... Always open to feedback. Just trying to get better over here. I'm not sure how you are weighing these various metrics to get your final "EPA per attack" / "better than", but it appears to me that you are overvaluing in system efficiency in relation to total utilization. Disclaimer - I'm not trying to rag on Phillips, I'm using her as an example of what I see as a flaw in your metrics.Given overall utilization, it seems negligible that a player like Philips hit .412 in system v. 0.348 for Kipp. I'd first want to know how many times each player is gone to in system because that would be a data point that OTHER teams know and plan for. I watch enough volleyball to know that most teams playing against Stanford are scouting for Kipp to get set in-system as the #1 attacking option, the same is not true of Philips. Your average joe schmo that looks at these metrics may not realize that, but that is important. Some of Philips' higher in system hitting percentage is because she faces more one on one attacking opportunities. That doesn't make HER the better opposite, it makes Texas the more difficult team to defend. I also have a hard time seeing how someone that is so underutilized compared to others on the list, with a substantially lower out of system efficiency (according to your metrics, Kipp has DOUBLE the out of system efficiency as Kipp) could take the top spot. |
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Post by chadgordon on Mar 21, 2023 22:07:04 GMT -5
FWIW the liberos are ranked by average value added per touch - so whatever their split is between reception and dig, that is how the values are weighted. One man show over here - but I'll get around to trying to put together more all-inclusive metrics for players so they don't over-focus on a specific skill. Maybe blocking will be next. Always an interesting one... Always open to feedback. Just trying to get better over here. I'm not sure how you are weighing these various metrics to get your final "EPA per attack" / "better than", but it appears to me that you are overvaluing in system efficiency in relation to total utilization. Disclaimer - I'm not trying to rag on Phillips, I'm using her as an example of what I see as a flaw in your metrics.Given overall utilization, it seems negligible that a player like Philips hit .412 in system v. 0.348 for Kipp. I'd first want to know how many times each player is gone to in system because that would be a data point that OTHER teams know and plan for. I watch enough volleyball to know that most teams playing against Stanford are scouting for Kipp to get set in-system as the #1 attacking option, the same is not true of Philips. Your average joe schmo that looks at these metrics may not realize that, but that is important. Some of Philips' higher in system hitting percentage is because she faces more one on one attacking opportunities. That doesn't make HER the better opposite, it makes Texas the more difficult team to defend. I also have a hard time seeing how someone that is so underutilized compared to others on the list, with a substantially lower out of system efficiency (according to your metrics, Kipp has DOUBLE the out of system efficiency as Kipp) could take the top spot. No I get it and I totally agree. The ranking is based on how much value the attacker brings, above expectation, on average each swing. That being said, Phillips has a much smaller role, and does it extremely well - but if you're the captain picking teams, we're all picking Kipp... The model factors in the number of blockers, where the set came from, and whether the MB was a threat or not. So when Phillips gets an easy 1 on 1 look, her expectation going into that swing is already very high because you should be scoring on those at a high rate. To her credit, Phillips is really really good in-system. But Kipp is an absolute menace OOS. Let's assume people hit something like 0.100 OOS on average, that means Kipp is hitting .400....OOS, which is insane. I understand your point though. This chart is simply, who attacks the best, given the situations they are given. This chart is not, who do you want on your team to win you the Natty. If Kipp had a role with a lighter workload, I think we'd all expect her to easily be at the top... when you add up points scored over expectation, she's nearly double the next closest opposite in terms of her impact. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Mar 31, 2023 13:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by Disc808 on Mar 31, 2023 14:29:45 GMT -5
Is Kipp planning to graduate after the fall season? I hope she goes pro right after the season ends lol
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Post by uofaGRAD on Mar 31, 2023 17:06:01 GMT -5
Is Kipp planning to graduate after the fall season? I hope she goes pro right after the season ends lol wonder if it all depends on how they do. if they win the natty, wouldn’t be shocked for her to go straight overseas. if they don’t, I could see her staying and trying one more time🙃 |
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Post by jwvolley on Mar 31, 2023 17:50:34 GMT -5
Is Kipp planning to graduate after the fall season? I hope she goes pro right after the season ends lol wonder if it all depends on how they do. if they win the natty, wouldn’t be shocked for her to go straight overseas. if they don’t, I could see her staying and trying one more time🙃 This is Kipp's final season of eligibility. She played in 2019, 2021 and 2022. I would assume they were asking whether she plans to graduate in December and go pro or graduating next Spring/Summer and then going |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Mar 31, 2023 19:03:40 GMT -5
wonder if it all depends on how they do. if they win the natty, wouldn’t be shocked for her to go straight overseas. if they don’t, I could see her staying and trying one more time🙃 This is Kipp's final season of eligibility. She played in 2019, 2021 and 2022. I would assume they were asking whether she plans to graduate in December and go pro or graduating next Spring/Summer and then going omg I totally forgot she was there in 2019 |
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Post by bobbk on Apr 1, 2023 10:37:32 GMT -5
Kipp has stated she plans to graduate in December
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Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 4, 2023 23:52:56 GMT -5
Love seeing Andrew's, Yu and Taylor Harvey on the preliminary U19 team.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Apr 5, 2023 16:23:24 GMT -5
Love seeing Andrew's, Yu and Taylor Harvey on the preliminary U19 team. Surprising that Blyashov was on it and not J. Harvey. |
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