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Post by photos1 on Sept 13, 2023 17:24:21 GMT -5
Nebraska had more SE (17 to 15) than Stanford did-which is very high for them. I really didn’t expect Nebraska to win because I didn’t believe all the freshman understood the level of play they would need produce to stay with Stanford(turns out I am not sure Stanford understood how good our freshman would play). Although I had never been to a match at Maples I actually tried to get out of going, but I discovered a nicer facility than I anticipated-(but I don’t understand why Stanford doesn’t play on a teraflex floor), and the crowd was bigger and more congenial than I anticipated. Unlike Gregory… And based on Hambly’s reactions, I believe he was stunned with the outcome. I don’t know if you could see it on the broadcast, but his reaction to the final point was very telling. I expect we’ll play Stanford again in Tampa. Hambly's reaction after the final point was due to Nebraska's hit actually being long, but Hambly was out of challenges. It really didn't change the final outcome, so whatever. Sorry, not long… Hambly was stunned… too bad you don’t have posted media room interviews so everyone could see the post match glaze… same glaze he had in KC in ‘17 after Florida…. Will be interesting to see you play Louisville… I believe Stanford may be considerably better… 3-1 is my guess. You don’t win matches like that with mediocre setters…
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 13, 2023 17:41:09 GMT -5
Hambly's reaction after the final point was due to Nebraska's hit actually being long, but Hambly was out of challenges. It really didn't change the final outcome, so whatever. Sorry, not long… Hambly was stunned… too bad you don’t have posted media room interviews so everyone could see the post match glaze… same glaze he had in KC in ‘17 after Florida…. Will be interesting to see you play Louisville… I believe Stanford may be considerably better… 3-1 is my guess. You don’t win matches like that with mediocre setters… I dont think hambly's face on camera was due to him being stunned lol, he had plenty of time to accept that they were likely to lose with the lead Nebraska had in the 4th. especially bc Nebraska was playing better. its not like they snuck up and stole the match out of nowhere and shocked hambly lmao
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Sept 13, 2023 17:53:44 GMT -5
Congrats to Nebraska. They thoroughly outplayed Stanford and deserved the win. A few thoughts: - Nebraska handily won the passing game. That's how you beat Stanford - solid passing and an in-system offense. I was surprised at how easily they passed Stanford's serves. Eventually, you could tell Stanford dialed down the pressure (the oomph in Oglivie went considerably down in Sets 3 and 4; same with Kipp).
- The middles couldn't close the block consistently, which allowed the outsides to run rampant. Not sure if it is due to Francis and Vicini not physically able to do so, the duo incorrectly reading where Bergen was going to put the ball, or if Allick and Jackson were always a threat, therefore they had to always be with the middles. Jackson by the way was fantastic. I could see why Husker fans were singing her praises.
- Nebraska's defense was lights out. Having Choboy and Rodriguez is just not fair for the rest of the country... but they sure are fun to watch. And Murray got to a lot of balls in middle back that should have gone down. Aside from the great passing, this was the other big reason why Nebraska handled Stanford on the road.
- For everyone saying Rubin should have been taken out... you forget the reason she is in there is because of her passing and defense. There is no way Blyashov and Harvey would have done half as well in the backcourt. Yes Rubin was having a bad game in the front row, but he passing and defense is what kept us in the game (Nebraska was also serving lights out). The one thing I didn't understand Rubin doing is why she wasn't trying to tool the block and go for high hands, especially on the garbage sets. As a sophomore, she should know better (and she has shown she can toll the block, so was a bit miffed as to why she didn't to so last night).
- Overall, I didn't think the serving errors cost Stanford... however, I did think it cost us the first set. Every time Stanford got a big point or threatened to break the game wide-open... they served the ball out. Volleyball is a momentum sport and the Cardinal killed their chances so many times in the first set. If they have been smarter about their serving, I think they would have pulled out the first set and potentially could have taken the match. And what was up with serving to Rodriguez? Unless they had stats that suggest otherwise... they should targeted Murray, Krause and Beeson every chance they got.
- Kipp was surprisingly ineffective. I don't know if she's just in a funk, but she's not putting the balls away against the top teams like she did last year. We definitely need her out of her funk.
- Baird, Oglivie and Miner played well, though I wish Miner had set the middles more (again).
I still think we can do some damage come December, but we have a lot of work to do if we want to get back to the Final Four, let alone challenge for a national title.
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 13, 2023 18:41:17 GMT -5
I just watched the passing touches on the Volleymetrics film. Stanford could not afford to take Rubin out. She passed extremely well. Oglivie did not.
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Post by liberosetter101 on Sept 13, 2023 18:44:20 GMT -5
I hope this loss fuels the girls and they come out strong against Louisville
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Post by Cruz'n on Sept 13, 2023 19:07:40 GMT -5
Congrats to Nebraska. They thoroughly outplayed Stanford and deserved the win. A few thoughts: - Nebraska handily won the passing game. That's how you beat Stanford - solid passing and an in-system offense. I was surprised at how easily they passed Stanford's serves. Eventually, you could tell Stanford dialed down the pressure (the oomph in Oglivie went considerably down in Sets 3 and 4; same with Kipp).
- The middles couldn't close the block consistently, which allowed the outsides to run rampant. Not sure if it is due to Francis and Vicini not physically able to do so, the duo incorrectly reading where Bergen was going to put the ball, or if Allick and Jackson were always a threat, therefore they had to always be with the middles. Jackson by the way was fantastic. I could see why Husker fans were singing her praises.
- Nebraska's defense was lights out. Having Choboy and Rodriguez is just not fair for the rest of the country... but they sure are fun to watch. And Murray got to a lot of balls in middle back that should have gone down. Aside from the great passing, this was the other big reason why Nebraska handled Stanford on the road.
- For everyone saying Rubin should have been taken out... you forget the reason she is in there is because of her passing and defense. There is no way Blyashov and Harvey would have done half as well in the backcourt. Yes Rubin was having a bad game in the front row, but he passing and defense is what kept us in the game (Nebraska was also serving lights out). The one thing I didn't understand Rubin doing is why she wasn't trying to tool the block and go for high hands, especially on the garbage sets. As a sophomore, she should know better (and she has shown she can toll the block, so was a bit miffed as to why she didn't to so last night).
- Overall, I didn't think the serving errors cost Stanford... however, I did think it cost us the first set. Every time Stanford got a big point or threatened to break the game wide-open... they served the ball out. Volleyball is a momentum sport and the Cardinal killed their chances so many times in the first set. If they have been smarter about their serving, I think they would have pulled out the first set and potentially could have taken the match. And what was up with serving to Rodriguez? Unless they had stats that suggest otherwise... they should targeted Murray, Krause and Beeson every chance they got.
- Kipp was surprisingly ineffective. I don't know if she's just in a funk, but she's not putting the balls away against the top teams like she did last year. We definitely need her out of her funk.
- Baird, Oglivie and Miner played well, though I wish Miner had set the middles more (again).
I still think we can do some damage come December, but we have a lot of work to do if we want to get back to the Final Four, let alone challenge for a national title. Nice post SakiBomb25 . I agree with pretty much all your points, except perhaps Kipp. As for our serving. Yes, some of them starting serving softer later in the match. Oglivie's first serves of the match, she served from the back left corner. And she tried to go down the line (at least once), and hit out. Um, what? She serves with a cross spin that makes the ball go right to left. First, why would she serve from the left sideline?? (much more difficult serve) And second, why would she serve down the line, when her serve trails right to left?? Luckily she, or they, realized that was a bad idea, and went back to her normal serve. She served it well a few times, but Lexi was absolutely eating it up. Her best serve had absolutely no impact on Lexi, who passed dimes off of it. Later in the match, Oglivie started served jump floats with no side spin. I mean, I understand. She had to try something. Like you SakiBomb25 , I am perplexed as to why many of Stanford's servers were serving Lexi. Whichever Card coach is in charge of calling the serves, is not doing his/her job very well. Some servers, like Pringle if I recall, did a good job of serving away from Lexi. Most other servers, not so good. As for Kipp, I think she'll be fine. She got roofed straight down a couple times, but that happens when you hit as hard as she does, and the opponent is focusing on you. It's fine to test the block once or twice. She had several great swings. I think she'll be fine. The only concern I have is her back row hitting. She has been over the line a few times, and as a result has hit tentatively from back there a few more times. Hopefully she can work that out. It's such a luxury to have a high percentage hitter from the pipe or D slot. Lastly, someone mentioned Oglivie getting clocked and possibly missing due to concussion protocol. I'm crossing my fingers that #1 she is fine, and #2 that she won't have to miss any time.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Sept 13, 2023 19:20:31 GMT -5
Congrats to Nebraska. They thoroughly outplayed Stanford and deserved the win. A few thoughts: - Nebraska handily won the passing game. That's how you beat Stanford - solid passing and an in-system offense. I was surprised at how easily they passed Stanford's serves. Eventually, you could tell Stanford dialed down the pressure (the oomph in Oglivie went considerably down in Sets 3 and 4; same with Kipp).
- The middles couldn't close the block consistently, which allowed the outsides to run rampant. Not sure if it is due to Francis and Vicini not physically able to do so, the duo incorrectly reading where Bergen was going to put the ball, or if Allick and Jackson were always a threat, therefore they had to always be with the middles. Jackson by the way was fantastic. I could see why Husker fans were singing her praises.
- Nebraska's defense was lights out. Having Choboy and Rodriguez is just not fair for the rest of the country... but they sure are fun to watch. And Murray got to a lot of balls in middle back that should have gone down. Aside from the great passing, this was the other big reason why Nebraska handled Stanford on the road.
- For everyone saying Rubin should have been taken out... you forget the reason she is in there is because of her passing and defense. There is no way Blyashov and Harvey would have done half as well in the backcourt. Yes Rubin was having a bad game in the front row, but he passing and defense is what kept us in the game (Nebraska was also serving lights out). The one thing I didn't understand Rubin doing is why she wasn't trying to tool the block and go for high hands, especially on the garbage sets. As a sophomore, she should know better (and she has shown she can toll the block, so was a bit miffed as to why she didn't to so last night).
- Overall, I didn't think the serving errors cost Stanford... however, I did think it cost us the first set. Every time Stanford got a big point or threatened to break the game wide-open... they served the ball out. Volleyball is a momentum sport and the Cardinal killed their chances so many times in the first set. If they have been smarter about their serving, I think they would have pulled out the first set and potentially could have taken the match. And what was up with serving to Rodriguez? Unless they had stats that suggest otherwise... they should targeted Murray, Krause and Beeson every chance they got.
- Kipp was surprisingly ineffective. I don't know if she's just in a funk, but she's not putting the balls away against the top teams like she did last year. We definitely need her out of her funk.
- Baird, Oglivie and Miner played well, though I wish Miner had set the middles more (again).
I still think we can do some damage come December, but we have a lot of work to do if we want to get back to the Final Four, let alone challenge for a national title. Totally agree you can't take Rubin out. She is a libero level passer. That matters a lot. We just flat lost the serve pass game. We will come back....
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 13, 2023 19:33:57 GMT -5
I think it's easy to look back and criticize a lot, but I think it's important we recognize that stanford didn't play their best, regardless of how well Nebraska played. Rubin with maybe the worst offensive match of her career, and oglivie was not up to her usual standard, multiple plays she usually makes with ease were not being executed the way she normally does. kipp was also not so great. I dont think the team we saw out there is not the team we truly have, maybe thats just me
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Post by Disc808 on Sept 13, 2023 20:19:21 GMT -5
I think it's easy to look back and criticize a lot, but I think it's important we recognize that stanford didn't play their best, regardless of how well Nebraska played. Rubin with maybe the worst offensive match of her career, and oglivie was not up to her usual standard, multiple plays she usually makes with ease were not being executed the way she normally does. kipp was also not so great. I dont think the team we saw out there is not the team we truly have, maybe thats just me If Stanford bounces back against Louisville then I’m not too concerned. But being swept at home and then losing again to a young Nebraska team is not encouraging. They need to find better ways to regain rhythm and momentum. Poor defense, botched free balls, no control over the serve. It’s a great team but there’s a lot of improvement needed for a natty
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Post by Chris123 on Sept 13, 2023 21:39:48 GMT -5
Regarding Coach Hambly's interviewing style--since I rarely watch the Card on TV and normally watch them live, I've only seen about a dozen interviews. In most of them, he seems to mumble and not express a clear train of thought. I found myself kind of frustrated listening. . .those of you who watch the majority of matches via TV, did I just catch him on bad night(s)? He's obviously a very accomplished coach. I realize this has nothing to do with the "Future for Stanford" but didn't want to start a new thread.
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Post by bobbk on Sept 13, 2023 22:31:17 GMT -5
I go to most chalk talks. He’s clear intelligent great
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Post by 25or624 on Sept 13, 2023 22:48:41 GMT -5
I think it's easy to look back and criticize a lot, but I think it's important we recognize that stanford didn't play their best, regardless of how well Nebraska played. Rubin with maybe the worst offensive match of her career, and oglivie was not up to her usual standard, multiple plays she usually makes with ease were not being executed the way she normally does. kipp was also not so great. I dont think the team we saw out there is not the team we truly have, maybe thats just me Stanford fans might feel a little better if you're able to find Wisconsin v. Marquette on You Tube. The Badgers pulled it out in 4, but had 18 service errors to 5 aces. Also 8 reception errors. TTA hit 5 serves in a row into the net. GG's only appearance was to hit a SE on a set point etc etc.
A lot of teams need a lot of work, but have the players to get better and make a run. I'd put Stanford and The Badgers in that category. We'll see what happens @ Florida on Sunday
I hope someone is able to spank Nebraska soon.
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Post by hammer on Sept 13, 2023 23:44:24 GMT -5
Congrats to Nebraska. They thoroughly outplayed Stanford and deserved the win. A few thoughts: - Nebraska handily won the passing game. That's how you beat Stanford - solid passing and an in-system offense. I was surprised at how easily they passed Stanford's serves. Eventually, you could tell Stanford dialed down the pressure (the oomph in Oglivie went considerably down in Sets 3 and 4; same with Kipp).
- The middles couldn't close the block consistently, which allowed the outsides to run rampant. Not sure if it is due to Francis and Vicini not physically able to do so, the duo incorrectly reading where Bergen was going to put the ball, or if Allick and Jackson were always a threat, therefore they had to always be with the middles. Jackson by the way was fantastic. I could see why Husker fans were singing her praises.
- Nebraska's defense was lights out. Having Choboy and Rodriguez is just not fair for the rest of the country... but they sure are fun to watch. And Murray got to a lot of balls in middle back that should have gone down. Aside from the great passing, this was the other big reason why Nebraska handled Stanford on the road.
- For everyone saying Rubin should have been taken out... you forget the reason she is in there is because of her passing and defense. There is no way Blyashov and Harvey would have done half as well in the backcourt. Yes Rubin was having a bad game in the front row, but he passing and defense is what kept us in the game (Nebraska was also serving lights out). The one thing I didn't understand Rubin doing is why she wasn't trying to tool the block and go for high hands, especially on the garbage sets. As a sophomore, she should know better (and she has shown she can toll the block, so was a bit miffed as to why she didn't to so last night).
- Overall, I didn't think the serving errors cost Stanford... however, I did think it cost us the first set. Every time Stanford got a big point or threatened to break the game wide-open... they served the ball out. Volleyball is a momentum sport and the Cardinal killed their chances so many times in the first set. If they have been smarter about their serving, I think they would have pulled out the first set and potentially could have taken the match. And what was up with serving to Rodriguez? Unless they had stats that suggest otherwise... they should targeted Murray, Krause and Beeson every chance they got.
- Kipp was surprisingly ineffective. I don't know if she's just in a funk, but she's not putting the balls away against the top teams like she did last year. We definitely need her out of her funk.
- Baird, Oglivie and Miner played well, though I wish Miner had set the middles more (again).
I still think we can do some damage come December, but we have a lot of work to do if we want to get back to the Final Four, let alone challenge for a national title. Nice post SakiBomb25 . I agree with pretty much all your points, except perhaps Kipp. As for our serving. Yes, some of them starting serving softer later in the match. Oglivie's first serves of the match, she served from the back left corner. And she tried to go down the line (at least once), and hit out. Um, what? She serves with a cross spin that makes the ball go right to left. First, why would she serve from the left sideline?? (much more difficult serve) And second, why would she serve down the line, when her serve trails right to left?? Luckily she, or they, realized that was a bad idea, and went back to her normal serve. She served it well a few times, but Lexi was absolutely eating it up. Her best serve had absolutely no impact on Lexi, who passed dimes off of it. Later in the match, Oglivie started served jump floats with no side spin. I mean, I understand. She had to try something. Like you SakiBomb25 , I am perplexed as to why many of Stanford's servers were serving Lexi. Whichever Card coach is in charge of calling the serves, is not doing his/her job very well. Some servers, like Pringle if I recall, did a good job of serving away from Lexi. Most other servers, not so good. As for Kipp, I think she'll be fine. She got roofed straight down a couple times, but that happens when you hit as hard as she does, and the opponent is focusing on you. It's fine to test the block once or twice. She had several great swings. I think she'll be fine. The only concern I have is her back row hitting. She has been over the line a few times, and as a result has hit tentatively from back there a few more times. Hopefully she can work that out. It's such a luxury to have a high percentage hitter from the pipe or D slot. Lastly, someone mentioned Oglivie getting clocked and possibly missing due to concussion protocol. I'm crossing my fingers that #1 she is fine, and #2 that she won't have to miss any time. Rodriguez is a passing savant and that's probably going to give her a good chance to make the National Team where passing is so highly prized. For those pointing out we should have avoided her at all cost, yes, that is patently obvious, and we paid the ultimate price for sending too many serves her way. Of course wanting to avoid Roddy and executing are two different things. Nebraska positions her to pass about 50% of the back court but that depends upon which rotation position she is in. If she is middle back then she can cover even more area, to around two-thirds provided she is good at reading server "tells", has done sufficient pre-game video study, and uses the server's location along the back line to compute who the intended receiver is. That can allow her to cheat one way or the other and poach balls intended for a weaker passer. A float or top spin serve served with good velocity pretty much needs to be aimed between the sidelines because otherwise its velocity will cause it to go wide and it will immediately be a point score for the opposing team. This fact allows the serve receiver to reduce the area which she has to cover and explains why short low velocity serves can be so effective. For Ogilvie's top spin (slight right to left) serve Roddy pretty much knew where it was going.
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Post by xlumie on Sept 14, 2023 0:35:58 GMT -5
I think it's easy to look back and criticize a lot, but I think it's important we recognize that stanford didn't play their best, regardless of how well Nebraska played. Rubin with maybe the worst offensive match of her career, and oglivie was not up to her usual standard, multiple plays she usually makes with ease were not being executed the way she normally does. kipp was also not so great. I dont think the team we saw out there is not the team we truly have, maybe thats just me Stanford fans might feel a little better if you're able to find Wisconsin v. Marquette on You Tube. The Badgers pulled it out in 4, but had 18 service errors to 5 aces. Also 8 reception errors. TTA hit 5 serves in a row into the net. GG's only appearance was to hit a SE on a set point etc etc.
A lot of teams need a lot of work, but have the players to get better and make a run. I'd put Stanford and The Badgers in that category. We'll see what happens @ Florida on Sunday
I hope someone is able to spank Nebraska soon. OMG let the girlies breathe. 💀 I hope Florida eats Wisconsin up in serve receive.
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Post by Cruz'n on Sept 14, 2023 0:51:49 GMT -5
I think it's easy to look back and criticize a lot, but I think it's important we recognize that stanford didn't play their best, regardless of how well Nebraska played. Rubin with maybe the worst offensive match of her career, and oglivie was not up to her usual standard, multiple plays she usually makes with ease were not being executed the way she normally does. kipp was also not so great. I dont think the team we saw out there is not the team we truly have, maybe thats just me Stanford fans might feel a little better if you're able to find Wisconsin v. Marquette on You Tube. The Badgers pulled it out in 4, but had 18 service errors to 5 aces. Also 8 reception errors. TTA hit 5 serves in a row into the net. GG's only appearance was to hit a SE on a set point etc etc.
A lot of teams need a lot of work, but have the players to get better and make a run. I'd put Stanford and The Badgers in that category. We'll see what happens @ Florida on Sunday
I hope someone is able to spank Nebraska soon. I believe you're a Badger fan, so I can understand you wanting Nebraska to get spanked. But as a Card fan, it is in our best interest for Nebraska to win as much as possible. Personally, after watching them play, I like this Nebraska team. I will watch them again if I get the chance. I can't get enough of Andi Jackson and Harper Murray.
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