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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 28, 2023 13:04:27 GMT -5
Quick question. I have noticed that both Oglivie and Rubin are hitting a top spin serve. The weird thing is they are doing the traditional toss where you put top spin on the ball. They are doing a standard float serve toss and then snapping their wrist. Any idea what the idea here is? Are they mixing up float and top spin to confuse the passers? yea.. its more of a hybrid serve, they do it often so I dont think they're necessary surprising the passers - but a good hybrid serve is incredibly difficult to pass. Melanie parra from tcu is a good example of someone who's been doing it well for a long time now although she takes more of a swing at the ball than rubin and oglivie do
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 28, 2023 13:10:33 GMT -5
Quick question. I have noticed that both Oglivie and Rubin are hitting a top spin serve. The weird thing is they are doing the traditional toss where you put top spin on the ball. They are doing a standard float serve toss and then snapping their wrist. Any idea what the idea here is? Are they mixing up float and top spin to confuse the passers? It is supposed to make the serve less predictable. Top spin serves are fast, but their trajectories are very predictable. Now they are using a hybrid float/top spin serve. Also, at times they are hitting a mostly top spin serve with a side spin, typically from right to left. I like these hybrid serves because 1. they are less predictable, and 2. they don't put wear and tear on your shoulder the way a pure top spin serve does. Although in the case of Oglivie being a libero, there would not be much concern there as she is not taking swings in the front row. Hambly noted earlier that he studied the two best servers over the past 10 years--Bricio and Hancock--and is attempting to replicate their serves, or at least move in that direction.
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Post by jwvolley on Oct 28, 2023 13:16:39 GMT -5
Quick question. I have noticed that both Oglivie and Rubin are hitting a top spin serve. The weird thing is they are doing the traditional toss where you put top spin on the ball. They are doing a standard float serve toss and then snapping their wrist. Any idea what the idea here is? Are they mixing up float and top spin to confuse the passers? It is supposed to make the serve less predictable. Top spin serves are fast, but their trajectories are very predictable. Now they are using a hybrid float/top spin serve. Also, at times they are hitting a mostly top spin serve with a side spin, typically from right to left. I like these hybrid serves because 1. they are less predictable, and 2. they don't put wear and tear on your shoulder the way a pure top spin serve does. Although in the case of Oglivie being a libero, there would not be much concern there as she is not taking swings in the front row. Hambly noted earlier that he studied the two best servers over the past 10 years--Bricio and Hancock--and is attempting to replicate their serves, or at least move in that direction. Bricio's was a personal fave of mine
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Post by bigjohn043 on Oct 28, 2023 15:22:24 GMT -5
Quick question. I have noticed that both Oglivie and Rubin are hitting a top spin serve. The weird thing is they are doing the traditional toss where you put top spin on the ball. They are doing a standard float serve toss and then snapping their wrist. Any idea what the idea here is? Are they mixing up float and top spin to confuse the passers? It is supposed to make the serve less predictable. Top spin serves are fast, but their trajectories are very predictable. Now they are using a hybrid float/top spin serve. Also, at times they are hitting a mostly top spin serve with a side spin, typically from right to left. I like these hybrid serves because 1. they are less predictable, and 2. they don't put wear and tear on your shoulder the way a pure top spin serve does. Although in the case of Oglivie being a libero, there would not be much concern there as she is not taking swings in the front row. Hambly noted earlier that he studied the two best servers over the past 10 years--Bricio and Hancock--and is attempting to replicate their serves, or at least move in that direction. Thanks, but not sure I get it. A float serve floats because it has no spin. Once you put spin on the ball it doesn't float. Is it that they put different types of spin on the ball that is hard to read?
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Post by hammer on Oct 28, 2023 15:48:14 GMT -5
Quick question. I have noticed that both Oglivie and Rubin are hitting a top spin serve. The weird thing is they are doing the traditional toss where you put top spin on the ball. They are doing a standard float serve toss and then snapping their wrist. Any idea what the idea here is? Are they mixing up float and top spin to confuse the passers? Yes, sort of. They have both in their tool kits depending upon passers and situations according to Hamby. And, those top spin serves are hit so they have right to left movement.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 28, 2023 16:04:12 GMT -5
It is supposed to make the serve less predictable. Top spin serves are fast, but their trajectories are very predictable. Now they are using a hybrid float/top spin serve. Also, at times they are hitting a mostly top spin serve with a side spin, typically from right to left. I like these hybrid serves because 1. they are less predictable, and 2. they don't put wear and tear on your shoulder the way a pure top spin serve does. Although in the case of Oglivie being a libero, there would not be much concern there as she is not taking swings in the front row. Hambly noted earlier that he studied the two best servers over the past 10 years--Bricio and Hancock--and is attempting to replicate their serves, or at least move in that direction. Thanks, but not sure I get it. A float serve floats because it has no spin. Once you put spin on the ball it doesn't float. Is it that they put different types of spin on the ball that is hard to read? I don't watch a ton of international volleyball, so there might be someone better to answer. As to Micha Hancock, her serve is less float, more top spin. Though as a lefty, she varies her serve from pure top spin, to left to right spin. Bricio, on the other hand, sometimes has zero spin on her serve (pure float), sometimes pure top spin, sometimes right to left spin, and many times a hybrid. So it floats or knuckles less than a float serve, but it has movement, so not a pure top spin serve. IMO what makes her serve the most difficult, is that you never know what you're going to get: top spin, right to left spin, lots of knuckle, no knuckle, etc. Bricio tosses her serve with no spin, like a jump float, and creates her own spin (or no spin). Hancock otoh has the typical top spin toss, then decides what kind of spin she will add to hit with her contact. Does any of this make sense?
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Post by bigjohn043 on Oct 28, 2023 19:09:37 GMT -5
Thanks, but not sure I get it. A float serve floats because it has no spin. Once you put spin on the ball it doesn't float. Is it that they put different types of spin on the ball that is hard to read? I don't watch a ton of international volleyball, so there might be someone better to answer. As to Micha Hancock, her serve is less float, more top spin. Though as a lefty, she varies her serve from pure top spin, to left to right spin. Bricio, on the other hand, sometimes has zero spin on her serve (pure float), sometimes pure top spin, sometimes right to left spin, and many times a hybrid. So it floats or knuckles less than a float serve, but it has movement, so not a pure top spin serve. IMO what makes her serve the most difficult, is that you never know what you're going to get: top spin, right to left spin, lots of knuckle, no knuckle, etc. Bricio tosses her serve with no spin, like a jump float, and creates her own spin (or no spin). Hancock otoh has the typical top spin toss, then decides what kind of spin she will add to hit with her contact. Does any of this make sense? Thanks for the answer. The idea of changing up your serve does make sense. Passers can't get used to any one style. Seems like a new technique and apparently it is effective. When I played volleyball you either did a jump serve or a standing float.....
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 28, 2023 19:49:16 GMT -5
I don't watch a ton of international volleyball, so there might be someone better to answer. As to Micha Hancock, her serve is less float, more top spin. Though as a lefty, she varies her serve from pure top spin, to left to right spin. Bricio, on the other hand, sometimes has zero spin on her serve (pure float), sometimes pure top spin, sometimes right to left spin, and many times a hybrid. So it floats or knuckles less than a float serve, but it has movement, so not a pure top spin serve. IMO what makes her serve the most difficult, is that you never know what you're going to get: top spin, right to left spin, lots of knuckle, no knuckle, etc. Bricio tosses her serve with no spin, like a jump float, and creates her own spin (or no spin). Hancock otoh has the typical top spin toss, then decides what kind of spin she will add to hit with her contact. Does any of this make sense? Thanks for the answer. The idea of changing up your serve does make sense. Passers can't get used to any one style. Seems like a new technique and apparently it is effective. When I played volleyball you either did a jump serve or a standing float..... Pretty much the same when I played. There was no jump float, although a few did top spin jump serves. On the beach, however, we had fun with a plethora of serves--possibly more than then now. Side spin in either direction; standing top spin serves with your back facing the net, sort of a round-house motion. And "sky" serves, which were underhand, and went a mile in the air. Very hard to pass, but for me they were extremely hard to consistently get in the court; best used with wind at your back, serve it straight up, let the wind do the work. Of course the wind is everything when serving on the beach. Serving against the wind, all you need is a good float serve.
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Post by dokterrudi on Oct 28, 2023 21:36:47 GMT -5
Eggleston has one..kind of. Earlier in the season Oglive was using pure top spin, it was a little nasty but accuracy problems I think. Maybe they’re waiting for the post season to bring it out again.
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Post by naujack85 on Oct 28, 2023 21:59:21 GMT -5
It is supposed to make the serve less predictable. Top spin serves are fast, but their trajectories are very predictable. Now they are using a hybrid float/top spin serve. Also, at times they are hitting a mostly top spin serve with a side spin, typically from right to left. I like these hybrid serves because 1. they are less predictable, and 2. they don't put wear and tear on your shoulder the way a pure top spin serve does. Although in the case of Oglivie being a libero, there would not be much concern there as she is not taking swings in the front row. Hambly noted earlier that he studied the two best servers over the past 10 years--Bricio and Hancock--and is attempting to replicate their serves, or at least move in that direction. Bricio's was a personal fave of mine And was arguably the best serve in ncaa history. So yeah, very difficult to learn but also unbelievably effective.
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Post by dokterrudi on Oct 28, 2023 22:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by dokterrudi on Oct 28, 2023 22:26:19 GMT -5
Don’t know show many of you have been watching AU, but Morgan has been a highlight literally and figuratively. She has really gotten better. Now I understand what Dunning meant when he said the level of play was raised whenever she was in the gym. Really impressive.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 29, 2023 1:20:58 GMT -5
Don’t know show many of you have been watching AU, but Morgan has been a highlight literally and figuratively. She has really gotten better. Now I understand what Dunning meant when he said the level of play was raised whenever she was in the gym. Really impressive. There was a timeout in one of the National Championship matches (pretty sure it was 2018) when Hentz addressed the squad after Jenna did. She spoke quite emphatically; EVERYBODY paid strict attention! She had a no-holds-barred/pay-attention type of command. I truly loved...and at times miss...her fire.
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Post by xlumie on Oct 29, 2023 1:50:01 GMT -5
CUTEEEE. Forgot Morgan was teammates with Kopp, Bairf, & Vicini.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 29, 2023 1:55:11 GMT -5
CUTEEEE. Forgot Morgan was teammates with Kip, Bair, & Vicini. You may wanna try respelling Caitie's and Kendall's surnames!
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