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Post by hammer on Dec 3, 2023 2:13:13 GMT -5
I’ll take it of course but this match should have never gone 5. The short serves from UH should have seen an adjustment sooner, too many bad passes. Setting choices get one dimensional. Francis needs to close, it’s a footwork problem mostly, but off season girl…Oglive was very active and assertive but then trailed off, still a good match. Baird was Baird. Rubin needs a serve, off season wishlist. Overall I’d say they need to be better OOS. Francis certainly was a mixed bag against UH tonight. She had some real good moments offensively and some great OOS blocks, but her inability to close blocks on 2-passes had me shaking my head. Alade, Inky, Wopat -- we had so many MBs who were so much better than her at this skill it blows my mind.
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Post by FTLOG on Dec 3, 2023 2:30:26 GMT -5
I’ll take it of course but this match should have never gone 5. The short serves from UH should have seen an adjustment sooner, too many bad passes. Setting choices get one dimensional. Francis needs to close, it’s a footwork problem mostly, but off season girl…Oglive was very active and assertive but then trailed off, still a good match. Baird was Baird. Rubin needs a serve, off season wishlist. Overall I’d say they need to be better OOS. Francis certainly was a mixed bad against UH tonight. She had some real good moments offensively and some great OOS blocks, but her inability to close blocks on 2-passes had me shaking my head. Alade, Inky, Wopat -- we had so many MBs who were so much better than her at this skill it blows my mind. Seems especially true against a 6-2, which, if they get that far, makes me think Stanford would have a hard time stopping a full strength Wisconsin (not that many teams have). At least against ASU, she’ll have a good idea where the sets are going and might as well just commit on Levinska. Stanford is a team with strengths and weaknesses. I don’t have any advanced stats handy, but for me at least, their biggest weakness is in-system defense because of something like Francis’s difficulty in closing. And I think that also explains Hambly-ball, at least a little bit. He’s gotta get the other time OOS with aggro serves so that Francis (and to a lesser extent, Vicini) doesn’t have to guess. Tonight, anyway, it seems like Stanford wasn’t creating enough trouble with their serves.
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Post by Cruz'n on Dec 3, 2023 2:37:14 GMT -5
I’ll take it of course but this match should have never gone 5. The short serves from UH should have seen an adjustment sooner, too many bad passes. Setting choices get one dimensional. Francis needs to close, it’s a footwork problem mostly, but off season girl…Oglive was very active and assertive but then trailed off, still a good match. Baird was Baird. Rubin needs a serve, off season wishlist. Overall I’d say they need to be better OOS. Francis certainly was a mixed bad against UH tonight. She had some real good moments offensively and some great OOS blocks, but her inability to close blocks on 2-passes had me shaking my head. Alade, Inky, Wopat -- we had so many MBs who were so much better than her at this skill it blows my mind. Man, that is TOUGH! Alade led the nation in blocks. Wopat and Inky were 1st team AA's multiple years. Wopat led the conference in blocks. Inky was the best player in the nation by many accounts. That is some real tough company to be comparing someone too. Some years there is no one in NCAA who can compare to these former players! I agree that 6' 6" Francis is not as quick as 6' 2" Wopat, 6' 2" Alade, or 6' 3" Inky at closing the block. But she is definitely helping us. We would be worse without her. There are some middles we had in the past that are not as good as Francis: Walker, Brown and Browne come to mind off the top of my head.
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Post by StanfordFan on Dec 3, 2023 2:42:06 GMT -5
I think my biggest concern is that teams like ASU seem to be peaking at exactly the right moment, whereas Stanford is just consistently inconsistent. They seem to have trouble having everyone play well at the same time through an entire match. I don’t get to watch from here in Asia, but reading the comments entire season, it’s always Rubin had a bad day or Baird had a bad day or Francis had a bad day. And sometimes it’s all of the above playing great one set and then really badly for another set or two, but hopefully not three.
Not sure why they can’t pull it all together consistently.
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Post by dokterrudi on Dec 3, 2023 13:04:00 GMT -5
Exactly. Even before the first set during warmups you could see they were laughing and having a good time. First set, lots of talk and communication, a real good flow. Then once the oos starts the talking stops and the mallard butt starts. Over passes and tips. There is no tomorrow, be fearless.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Dec 3, 2023 13:04:21 GMT -5
Francis certainly was a mixed bad against UH tonight. She had some real good moments offensively and some great OOS blocks, but her inability to close blocks on 2-passes had me shaking my head. Alade, Inky, Wopat -- we had so many MBs who were so much better than her at this skill it blows my mind. Man, that is TOUGH! Alade led the nation in blocks. Wopat and Inky were 1st team AA's multiple years. Wopat led the conference in blocks. Inky was the best player in the nation by many accounts. That is some real tough company to be comparing someone too. Some years there is no one in NCAA who can compare to these former players! I agree that 6' 6" Francis is not as quick as 6' 2" Wopat, 6' 2" Alade, or 6' 3" Inky at closing the block. But she is definitely helping us. We would be worse without her. There are some middles we had in the past that are not as good as Francis: Walker, Brown and Browne come to mind off the top of my head. 6-6 MBs just aren't a thing anymore. OPP is really the best position for Francis similar to Fitz, Lutz, etc. Of course she isn't going to play there because of Kipp and frankly even next year we need MBs.
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Post by dokterrudi on Dec 3, 2023 13:32:48 GMT -5
Bringle the Pringle, I don’t want too much Baird in the back. I know last her year blah blah, you want to win or not.
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Post by hammer on Dec 3, 2023 14:37:43 GMT -5
Man, that is TOUGH! Alade led the nation in blocks. Wopat and Inky were 1st team AA's multiple years. Wopat led the conference in blocks. Inky was the best player in the nation by many accounts. That is some real tough company to be comparing someone too. Some years there is no one in NCAA who can compare to these former players! I agree that 6' 6" Francis is not as quick as 6' 2" Wopat, 6' 2" Alade, or 6' 3" Inky at closing the block. But she is definitely helping us. We would be worse without her. There are some middles we had in the past that are not as good as Francis: Walker, Brown and Browne come to mind off the top of my head. 6-6 MBs just aren't a thing anymore. OPP is really the best position for Francis similar to Fitz, Lutz, etc. Of course she isn't going to play there because of Kipp and frankly even next year we need MBs. I hope Andrew isn't as slow to close as Francis, but I'm concerned. Stanford may have two of the slowest "closers" in the ACC next season. I watched a replay of the Washington St match @ Pullman the other day, and that might have been Stanford's best all-around performance of the season. Was it a coincidence that Francis was unavailable for that match?
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Post by bigjohn043 on Dec 3, 2023 14:43:34 GMT -5
Bringle the Pringle, I don’t want too much Baird in the back. I know last her year blah blah, you want to win or not. Baird is passing a 2.22 this season. That is really elite. The same as Oglivie. Rubin is above both at 2.36. I don't have Pringle's passing status but I deeply skeptical that it is even as good as 2.22. No reason to switch it up now....
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Post by dokterrudi on Dec 3, 2023 14:48:32 GMT -5
Fair, just kvetching
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 3, 2023 14:54:48 GMT -5
Bringle the Pringle, I don’t want too much Baird in the back. I know last her year blah blah, you want to win or not. Baird is passing a 2.22 this season. That is really elite. The same as Oglivie. Rubin is above both at 2.36. I don't have Pringle's passing status but I deeply skeptical that it is even as good as 2.22. No reason to switch it up now.... Baird 2.19 Oglivie 2.21 Rubin 2.32 Pringle 1.77 (only passed 13 balls though so lol)
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Post by potato518 on Dec 3, 2023 15:12:43 GMT -5
Bringle the Pringle, I don’t want too much Baird in the back. I know last her year blah blah, you want to win or not. Baird is passing a 2.22 this season. That is really elite. The same as Oglivie. Rubin is above both at 2.36. I don't have Pringle's passing status but I deeply skeptical that it is even as good as 2.22. No reason to switch it up now.... plus Baird in the fifth set looked locked tf in it was the most emotion I’ve seen outta her
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Post by liberosetter101 on Dec 3, 2023 18:11:36 GMT -5
Concerning match vs Houston Hopefully it’s a wake up call Being up 2-0 doesn’t mean you slack off.
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Post by acea on Dec 3, 2023 18:17:47 GMT -5
Bringle the Pringle, I don’t want too much Baird in the back. I know last her year blah blah, you want to win or not. What we really need to be doing is set Baird on the pipe. She was our go to OOS in 2021 and probably our best player (sorry Kipp). Idk why we only run Kipp back there when we have two OHs who are more than capable. Maybe it’s a connection thing in practice? In any case y’all need to appreciate how clutch Baird has been this season. She can get tippy and shanky but for the most part she’s played well in the tournament. As other posters mentioned we should be way more worried that we can’t close the block and are getting fooled by hitters we have multiple inches on…
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Post by Cruz'n on Dec 3, 2023 19:07:48 GMT -5
Bringle the Pringle, I don’t want too much Baird in the back. I know last her year blah blah, you want to win or not. Bringle the Pringle. I like the jingle. If I were single, with Pringle I'd mingle.
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