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Post by hammer on Dec 10, 2023 14:30:31 GMT -5
Love Stanford but the reality is we will never be able to complete against teams who have an advantage to the transfer portal Proud of our girls either way! The Stanford legacy is over and I’m okay with it <3 Thank you Kipp for the memories! Stanfords starters are as good or better than any other in the nation. Definitely not a skill issue. Not their middle blockers. No one at the level of the great legacy of middles that Stanford has had: Kim Oden Bev Oden Barb Ifejika Foluke Akinradewo Carly Wopat Inky Ajanaku Tami Alade But granted these players are all at least 3rd team or greater AA: Kipp Miner Oglivie Rubin
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Post by midnightblue on Dec 10, 2023 14:34:30 GMT -5
Stanford simply did not have the middles or the floor defense to get further than the Elite 8. Nothing could have been done about the middle situation, but the floor defense was particularly disappointing.
On to the ACC... hit the recruiting trail Kevin.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 10, 2023 14:38:01 GMT -5
Stanfords starters are as good or better than any other in the nation. Definitely not a skill issue. Kim Oden Bev Oden Barb Ifejika Foluke Akinradewo Carly Wopat Inky Ajanaku Tami Alade what a freakin' run that was though... I have never seen them all written out like that until now. Hoping we'll be adding someone to the list soon enough.
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Dec 10, 2023 14:42:13 GMT -5
Stanfords starters are as good or better than any other in the nation. Definitely not a skill issue. Agree, not a physical skill issue but Hambly needs players that are self motivated. Interviews with Plummer, Hentz, and Gray starting at 1:24:40
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Dec 10, 2023 14:51:24 GMT -5
Stanfords starters are as good or better than any other in the nation. Definitely not a skill issue. Not their middle blockers. No one at the level of the great legacy of middles that Stanford has had: Kim Oden Bev Oden Barb Ifejika Foluke Akinradewo Carly Wopat Inky Ajanaku Tami Alade While they both got moved to opposite, I'd add Fitz and Lutz to this list. Both were 2x All-American as Middles and both went on to be 2x All American as Opposites.
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Post by dokterrudi on Dec 10, 2023 14:53:15 GMT -5
Stanford simply did not have the middles or the floor defense to get further than the Elite 8. Nothing could have been done about the middle situation, but the floor defense was particularly disappointing. On to the ACC... hit the recruiting trail Kevin. Amen
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Post by dokterrudi on Dec 10, 2023 14:59:45 GMT -5
Agree, not a physical skill issue but Hambly needs players that are self motivated. Interviews with Plummer, Hentz, and Gray starting at 1:24:40 Different breed
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Post by johnbar on Dec 10, 2023 15:00:35 GMT -5
I can't find it now, but I saw someone post yesterday again about "Hambly hasn't won a championship with his own players" (e.g., he only won with the team he inherited from Dunning). I don't know how many times I heard the same thing about Dunning, until 2016. It's not easy putting together a championship caliber team, even at Stanford.
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Post by liberosetter101 on Dec 10, 2023 15:12:52 GMT -5
Things to note:
Francis has not lived up to her recruiting hype. She’s tall but her slide is awkward, and she’s too slow at closing the block. I know she’s suffered some injures so I’ll cut her some slack there, but she’s simply not the elite MB we need. They need to stop forcing the slide and only set her in front of the setter.
Baird truly regressed as the season went along. I don’t get the point of having all these pins if you aren’t going to use them. Kurt or Blyashov could’ve made a difference. We may never know
This team plays with 0 passion. Rubin was the only one showing emotion out there. We are so lucky to have her.
Thank you to the 2019 class. Lots to be proud of you regardless of the outcome last night.
I want to be excited for the future, but I don’t think I can unless we have easy access to the portal like the rest.
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Post by hookem1 on Dec 10, 2023 15:17:26 GMT -5
Something to note is that Stanford doesn’t really lose players to the portal often either. Texas, however, had some players leave for various reasons (PT, usage, etc) and so there was more of a need to bring players in to replace them. If Stanford isn’t losing players then there isn’t much need to bring new players in. (Injuries are another conversation)
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Post by midnightblue on Dec 10, 2023 15:18:22 GMT -5
Things to note: Francis has not lived up to her recruiting hype. She’s tall but her slide is awkward, and she’s too slow at closing the block. I know she’s suffered some injures so I’ll cut her some slack there, but she’s simply not the elite MB we need. They need to stop forcing the slide and only set her in front of the setter. Baird truly regressed as the season went along. I don’t get the point of having all these pins if you aren’t going to use them. Kurt or Blyashov could’ve made a difference. We may never know This team plays with 0 passion. Rubin was the only one showing emotion out there. We are so lucky to have her. Thank you to the 2019 class. Lots to be proud of you regardless of the outcome last night. I want to be excited for the future, but I don’t think I can unless we have easy access to the portal like the rest. Depending on what 'easy access to the portal' means to you, Stanford will never lower their academic standards for volleyball recruits / transfers. Would it be nice to have some high-achieving grad students (or undergrad, but I find it less likely) with remaining eligibility be able to transfer into the program directly? Absolutely, though I won't hold my breath.
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Post by midnightblue on Dec 10, 2023 15:20:02 GMT -5
Something to note is that Stanford doesn’t really lose players to the portal often either. Texas, however, had some players leave for various reasons (PT, usage, etc) and so there was more of a need to bring players in to replace them. If Stanford isn’t losing players then there isn’t much need to bring new players in. (Injuries are another conversation) Stanford had 2 middles medically retire within a year. It's not as much about being disappointed in the developpment of recruited players as it is losing them to injury and having little to no depth. Francis missed time this year and a backup setter / pin had to play middle with no experience.
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Post by pepperclove on Dec 10, 2023 15:20:38 GMT -5
Disappointing loss, for sure. Rubin was the only player who really impressed me. Tons of heat for a slightly undersized OH, great vision and awareness, plus bringing fire to a team that badly needed it.
We all know how talented Kipp is, but it didn't seem like she got enough chances. You've got to ride your star at this level, and it seemed like the passing was there. Kipp also didn't look to be at her best - maybe the wrist was a factor? - but I definitely wanted more attempts for her.
Oglivie is good, but I can't help the (probably unfair) comparison to Hentz. Hentz would have dug some - or all - of those cross-court swings from Texas, and Oglivie wasn't close on any of them. The most memorable digs in the match came from Pringle in that one point.
Speaking of good, I thought Sami Francis was supposed to be good? No blocking presence at all and no offensive presence at all. The lack of blocks was a problem throughout the match.
I'm not sure how much of this to put on Miner, or Hambly, but definitely felt like this team underachieved slightly - and I'm worried that if any of the current freshman was the answer, she would have beaten out Baird.
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Post by hookem1 on Dec 10, 2023 15:21:46 GMT -5
Something to note is that Stanford doesn’t really lose players to the portal often either. Texas, however, had some players leave for various reasons (PT, usage, etc) and so there was more of a need to bring players in to replace them. If Stanford isn’t losing players then there isn’t much need to bring new players in. (Injuries are another conversation) Stanford had 2 middles medically retire within a year. It's not as much about being disappointed in the developpment of recruited players as it is losing them to injury and having little to no depth. Francis missed time this year and a backup setter / pin had to play middle with no experience. Right like I said injuries/ending playing career are a difficult conversation. There’s no good plan for multiple of those.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 10, 2023 15:23:51 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with the portal. Of course we can compete. Heck, we lost in the regional final to the #5 Pablo team. We lost because a Texas team that had passed poorly all year all of the sudden was able to stay in system. It just happens sometimes.... We lost back to back regional finals to teams who used players from the portal. (Not saying there’s anything wrong with them doing it) But the reality is we are at a disadvantage Stanford will still be a top 25 team, but not a national championship team l It's a coaching issue, not a talent issue. That should be abundantly clear by now.
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