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Post by Cruz'n on Dec 15, 2023 22:34:30 GMT -5
A small chance we make it to the FF next year if Blyashov and Harvey outperform expectations. We'll still have issues at the MB position IMO. Winning a championship with our talent vs (say) Nebraska, looks doubtful. 2025 and beyond, it would depend upon who we can recruit and how teams like Neb, Texas, Pitt, L'ville, and Wisconsin gather and develop new talent. As history has shown, you need BIG recruit classes to have a decent chance to win a NC. I am more worried about our starting setter. I felt that Miner has underperformed in NCAA. She needs to be more agressive. We have an elite setter. Most people place her as either the top setter in NCAA, or at least in the top 3. She is not the problem. What do you mean by "more aggressive?" Do you want her to dump more? Do you want her to set middles who can't put the ball away? She did the best she could with the pieces she had. Hopefully we'll have at least one better middle next year. Fingers crossed.
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Post by tnp101 on Dec 15, 2023 23:24:41 GMT -5
I am more worried about our starting setter. I felt that Miner has underperformed in NCAA. She needs to be more agressive. We have an elite setter. Most people place her as either the top setter in NCAA, or at least in the top 3. She is not the problem. What do you mean by "more aggressive?" Do you want her to dump more? Do you want her to set middles who can't put the ball away? She did the best she could with the pieces she had. Hopefully we'll have at least one better middle next year. Fingers crossed. Yes, I meant I wabted her to dump more when she had those opportunities to score. I know Miner is an elite setter. But her offense became predictable when the passing was not good. Or sometimes even it was good,personally, I could guess correctly most of the time where she would set to. The setter in FF4 who I felt is the best among FF4 team is Bergen Reilly from Nebraska. Although she is not as athletics compared to Miner, but I felt her set was less predictable. Swimdle is more agressive at dumping. I like Miner when she took control at the net.I think when she did that, we won.
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Post by sfvbsfvb on Dec 15, 2023 23:31:57 GMT -5
We have an elite setter. Most people place her as either the top setter in NCAA, or at least in the top 3. She is not the problem. What do you mean by "more aggressive?" Do you want her to dump more? Do you want her to set middles who can't put the ball away? She did the best she could with the pieces she had. Hopefully we'll have at least one better middle next year. Fingers crossed. Yes, I meant I wabted her to dump more when she had those opportunities to score. I know Miner is an elite setter. But her offense became predictable when the passing was not good. Or sometimes even it was good,personally, I could guess correctly most of the time where she would set to. The setter in FF4 who I felt is the best among FF4 team is Bergen Reilly from Nebraska. Although she is not as athletics compared to Miner, but I felt her set was less predictable. Swimdle is more agressive at dumping. I like Miner when she took control at the net.I think when she did that, we won. “Swindle is more aggressive at dumping” you mean when her feet literally leave the ground 2% of the time?
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Post by dokterrudi on Dec 16, 2023 1:25:26 GMT -5
A small chance we make it to the FF next year if Blyashov and Harvey outperform expectations. We'll still have issues at the MB position IMO. Winning a championship with our talent vs (say) Nebraska, looks doubtful. 2025 and beyond, it would depend upon who we can recruit and how teams like Neb, Texas, Pitt, L'ville, and Wisconsin gather and develop new talent. As history has shown, you need BIG recruit classes to have a decent chance to win a NC. I am more worried about our starting setter. I felt that Miner has underperformed in NCAA. She needs to be more agressive. next season will tell. She does play really good defense. I feel like this seasons team could be one dimensional, I think she needs to take more initiative, play her game..let it fly
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 16, 2023 2:56:06 GMT -5
I just hope hambly gets more creative next year. these last two seasons have I've felt like they played such a basic volleyball as a team. obviously playing at a very high level, but they haven't done anything unique that other teams aren't seeing. the hitters ran the same very basic routes all year long. The fact we had two 6 rotation (all American) OHs this year that almost never took swings from the backrow is a little bit ridiculous
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Post by raj on Dec 16, 2023 12:00:19 GMT -5
Yes, I meant I wabted her to dump more when she had those opportunities to score. I know Miner is an elite setter. But her offense became predictable when the passing was not good. Or sometimes even it was good,personally, I could guess correctly most of the time where she would set to. The setter in FF4 who I felt is the best among FF4 team is Bergen Reilly from Nebraska. Although she is not as athletics compared to Miner, but I felt her set was less predictable. Swimdle is more agressive at dumping. I like Miner when she took control at the net.I think when she did that, we won. “Swindle is more aggressive at dumping” you mean when her feet literally leave the ground 2% of the time? Swindle is limiting her jumps due to lower body injury. She wears a boot on one of her feet often.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Dec 16, 2023 12:43:48 GMT -5
I just hope hambly gets more creative next year. these last two seasons have I've felt like they played such a basic volleyball as a team. obviously playing at a very high level, but they haven't done anything unique that other teams aren't seeing. the hitters ran the same very basic routes all year long. The fact we had two 6 rotation (all American) OHs this year that almost never took swings from the backrow is a little bit ridiculous At the start of the season it seemed Hambly wanted to push the tempo. Baird didn't adjust well so it slowed. So atleast there has been some attempt to change.
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Post by backsideattack on Dec 16, 2023 13:01:29 GMT -5
I just been watching early 2000’s Stanford vball with Logan Tom and Ogonna Nnamani…they were so dynamic…thats what we need…gsme changers We have never won a national championship without a terminal outside hitter than could get us kills out of system. Tom, Nnamani, Plummer were terminal even when the block was there and ready or when the middles were having an off day. We didn't have that this year and it showed.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 16, 2023 13:31:45 GMT -5
I just hope hambly gets more creative next year. these last two seasons have I've felt like they played such a basic volleyball as a team. obviously playing at a very high level, but they haven't done anything unique that other teams aren't seeing. the hitters ran the same very basic routes all year long. The fact we had two 6 rotation (all American) OHs this year that almost never took swings from the backrow is a little bit ridiculous At the start of the season it seemed Hambly wanted to push the tempo. Baird didn't adjust well so it slowed. So atleast there has been some attempt to change. thats true, but speeding up the set is like the most basic thing nearly every team tries to do. Teams like louisville, Oregon, pitt, kentucky, etc all just do a little more than stanford does in terms of switching things around / running set plays. Again, obviously it's not like those teams are all better than stanford, but I think about what could happen if stanford had the same approach as them and truly tried to maximize every single rotation. Stanford looked like they were being coached out of a textbook this year imo instead of the personnel they had
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Post by hammer on Dec 16, 2023 13:57:20 GMT -5
I just been watching early 2000’s Stanford vball with Logan Tom and Ogonna Nnamani…they were so dynamic…thats what we need…gsme changers We have never won a national championship without a terminal outside hitter than could get us kills out of system. Tom, Nnamani, Plummer were terminal even when the block was there and ready or when the middles were having an off day. We didn't have that this year and it showed. Hambly specifically mentioned working on kills OOS middle to late in the season. I think there was some success with Rubin. Baird and Kipp didn't improve very much though. Baird never learned to recycle off the block and Kipp always wanted to hit too vertically instead of using high hands.
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Post by tristen on Dec 16, 2023 15:02:26 GMT -5
I just been watching early 2000’s Stanford vball with Logan Tom and Ogonna Nnamani…they were so dynamic…thats what we need…gsme changers We have never won a national championship without a terminal outside hitter than could get us kills out of system. Tom, Nnamani, Plummer were terminal even when the block was there and ready or when the middles were having an off day. We didn't have that this year and it showed. Facts…when i watched them they looked good for most of their matches borderline great in some of them but something was missing that really made me think this is an elite team…very systematic which isnt bad but isnt great either when things arent going ur way…
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Post by Cruz'n on Dec 16, 2023 16:28:50 GMT -5
I'm mostly agreeing with what I'm reading here. It's true that we have had Plummer/Tom/Nnamani/Walsh --terminal OH's-- to win NC's. On the one hand, we had very good pins this year, which was our strength, while middles was our weakness. But compared to all the other good teams, we we not aggressive OOS. If the set wasn't perfect to the pin, then we tipped or bumped it over OOS. Other teams took aggressive swings OOS. In the recent Nebraska pressers they talked about how they were going to swing hard no matter what, no tips. I recall in the first year or two when Hambly arrived that he was stressing taking good swings OOS. So I know that is on his mind, or at least used to be. Not sure if the current personnel just wasn't able to hit aggressively OOS? Or if it was coaching. IMO, hitting aggressively OOS is a skill that can be acquired and improved with practice. So I'm not really sure why we were so timid hitting OOS. I would love to see change/improvement next year. As a side note, if anyone ever wants to watch a clinic on how to hit aggressively --and successfully-- OOS, they just need to watch Plummer in the 2019 championship match against Wisconsin! Of course everyone here already knows that. Just saying.
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Post by acea on Dec 16, 2023 16:36:32 GMT -5
We have never won a national championship without a terminal outside hitter than could get us kills out of system. Tom, Nnamani, Plummer were terminal even when the block was there and ready or when the middles were having an off day. We didn't have that this year and it showed. Hambly specifically mentioned working on kills OOS middle to late in the season. I think there was some success with Rubin. Baird and Kipp didn't improve very much though. Baird never learned to recycle off the block and Kipp always wanted to hit too vertically instead of using high hands. I actually think Baird wasn’t that bad at recycling we were just bad at covering
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Post by acea on Dec 16, 2023 16:38:36 GMT -5
At the start of the season it seemed Hambly wanted to push the tempo. Baird didn't adjust well so it slowed. So atleast there has been some attempt to change. thats true, but speeding up the set is like the most basic thing nearly every team tries to do. Teams like louisville, Oregon, pitt, kentucky, etc all just do a little more than stanford does in terms of switching things around / running set plays. Again, obviously it's not like those teams are all better than stanford, but I think about what could happen if stanford had the same approach as them and truly tried to maximize every single rotation. Stanford looked like they were being coached out of a textbook this year imo instead of the personnel they had I liked what we did in rotation one in the mid to late season. Kipp on a 2 ball was fun, don’t think that’s enough mixing up but I don’t know why it disappeared in the post-season
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 16, 2023 16:42:41 GMT -5
Hambly specifically mentioned working on kills OOS middle to late in the season. I think there was some success with Rubin. Baird and Kipp didn't improve very much though. Baird never learned to recycle off the block and Kipp always wanted to hit too vertically instead of using high hands. I actually think Baird wasn’t that bad at recycling we were just bad at covering I think baird had a very similar problem to what they said about kipp, hitting vertically on top of the closed block instead of driving the ball off hands. the amount of swings from baird that resulted in high block touches to the middle of the court over the last 3 seasons always frustrated me so much. watching OHs from Nebraska, louisville, and Kentucky - they often take swings that would sail multiple feet out if no block was there, but they catch the high hands and the ball is driven past the reach of the opposing defenders. baird and kipp seemed to only ever do this by accident, rubin did it often tho
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