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Post by acea on Dec 18, 2023 21:52:28 GMT -5
do you know how crazy this sounds? If the MB’s aren’t terminal you don’t set them MORE you set them just enough. Obviously they would hit for a high percentage. If we had to lean on running the offense through MB’s alone we would have Been torched. I think if the 2014 team when Wopat and Inky were the best combo in the NCAA but all our pins were weaker. When we couldn’t set them in that final match vs Penn State we got spanked trying to rely on Howard and Burgess shoulders. But what do you mean by not terminal. Vicini hit for a higher percentage this year than Inky in 2016. This reminds of Moneyball. If the hitter isn't terminal, then why are they terminating at such a high percentage? They just explained to you the difference between Inky and Vicini and why you can’t just go off stats, you’re really gonna conflate a 3x first team all american with Vicini? Vicini did great work for us, definitely our best blocker along with Kipp but her swings on open nets or against one blocker were constantly getting dug. If you watched the games this season you’d realize that Francis was actually the one who was terminal, but she was very high error. When she was on though it looked like she could take over the match.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Dec 19, 2023 16:41:24 GMT -5
But what do you mean by not terminal. Vicini hit for a higher percentage this year than Inky in 2016. This reminds of Moneyball. If the hitter isn't terminal, then why are they terminating at such a high percentage? They just explained to you the difference between Inky and Vicini and why you can’t just go off stats, you’re really gonna conflate a 3x first team all american with Vicini? Vicini did great work for us, definitely our best blocker along with Kipp but her swings on open nets or against one blocker were constantly getting dug. If you watched the games this season you’d realize that Francis was actually the one who was terminal, but she was very high error. When she was on though it looked like she could take over the match. Of course Vicini isn't as good as Inky. But factually she hit for a huge percentage. If she isn't terminal then why does she terminate at such a high rate? It seems to me that setting a hitter who is hitting 400 a bit more is a good idea. And if you can make the MBs respect her you will get more opportunities on the pins. So Francis is the one who is terminal despite hitting for a lower percentage. Her issue is the very high error rate. 50 for 427 swings. That is a slightly lower percentage than the overall team who had 487 for 3967 swings. So I guess the whole team had a very high error rate while leading the nation in hitting. Interesting.... Stats aren't everything. But at some point facts and data matter. Since Miner has become our setter we have used the MBs way less. Forget Gates, Campbell and Alade got more sets in 2018 than our MBs did this year. IMO, Miner needs to set the MBs more.....
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 20, 2023 4:21:29 GMT -5
They just explained to you the difference between Inky and Vicini and why you can’t just go off stats, you’re really gonna conflate a 3x first team all american with Vicini? Vicini did great work for us, definitely our best blocker along with Kipp but her swings on open nets or against one blocker were constantly getting dug. If you watched the games this season you’d realize that Francis was actually the one who was terminal, but she was very high error. When she was on though it looked like she could take over the match. Of course Vicini isn't as good as Inky. But factually she hit for a huge percentage. If she isn't terminal then why does she terminate at such a high rate? It seems to me that setting a hitter who is hitting 400 a bit more is a good idea. And if you can make the MBs respect her you will get more opportunities on the pins. So Francis is the one who is terminal despite hitting for a lower percentage. Her issue is the very high error rate. 50 for 427 swings. That is a slightly lower percentage than the overall team who had 487 for 3967 swings. So I guess the whole team had a very high error rate while leading the nation in hitting. Interesting.... Stats aren't everything. But at some point facts and data matter. Since Miner has become our setter we have used the MBs way less. Forget Gates, Campbell and Alade got more sets in 2018 than our MBs did this year. IMO, Miner needs to set the MBs more..... No she doesn’t. Again, you are just looking at the stats and not the entire context. Gates and Campbell were better hitters than Vicini. Fact of the matter is, Vicini is a good role player, but that is all she ever was in the Stanford offense. You give her more sets and her hitting percentage goes down because she just doesn’t have the firepower to consistently put the ball away. She just isn’t that type of player for Stanford. I would venture to say Vicini and Francis were Stanford’s weakest pair of middles since Liz Suitsd and Franco Girard back in 2004. It doesn’t mean they are bad players obviously not. But Miner maximized their offensive capabilities. Hambly is not a horrible coach. If Vicini and Francis would be able to help the team out more, he would tell Miner to set them more. However, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
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Post by volleylbc on Dec 20, 2023 8:51:40 GMT -5
Volleyball minds that get it, get it.
Anyways, Is incoming Duncan any good? Potential to be an Alade or Bowen type back up? Although Alade exceeded expectations.
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Post by breadunnie on Dec 20, 2023 9:25:47 GMT -5
(aware that Stanford doesn't recruit from the transfer portal aside) what do you guys think about speculations of Husker's Caroline Jurevicius apparently having her sights set on Stanford?
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Post by cbrown1709 on Dec 20, 2023 9:34:37 GMT -5
(aware that Stanford doesn't recruit from the transfer portal aside) what do you guys think about speculations of Husker's Caroline Jurevicius apparently having her sights set on Stanford? That would surprise me.
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Post by volleylbc on Dec 20, 2023 9:39:57 GMT -5
(aware that Stanford doesn't recruit from the transfer portal aside) what do you guys think about speculations of Husker's Caroline Jurevicius apparently having her sights set on Stanford? That would surprise me. what year is she? Grad transfer? She any good?
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Post by cbrown1709 on Dec 20, 2023 9:43:06 GMT -5
what year is she? Grad transfer? She any good? She would be a freshman with 4 years eligibility.
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Post by breadunnie on Dec 20, 2023 10:52:29 GMT -5
(aware that Stanford doesn't recruit from the transfer portal aside) what do you guys think about speculations of Husker's Caroline Jurevicius apparently having her sights set on Stanford? That would surprise me. in a good or bad way? i think it's a first that i've seen so much speculation of a student-athlete in the portal having their sights set on stanford (M Gates aside) - granted i haven't caught up with volleyball in a hot minute.
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Post by bobbk on Dec 20, 2023 11:14:01 GMT -5
We have scholarship room Btw Stanford does get transfers. Rare 45-50 students per year 6-9 roughly undergrad athletes.
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Post by beachbomb on Dec 20, 2023 11:15:28 GMT -5
that would be a interesting get... number 6 overall recruit in her class ... coming in with a thin recruiting class. i think she has experience on the right side. with 6'2 frame thats solid... but it kinda puts stanford in the same boat as this year... loaded pins and no middle dominance... I'm interested to see Andrew in the college game and speed. I really like Francis at middle, but sometimes if seems like her fault in finishing is she doesn't expect the ball so shes a step late and the ball goes long or in the net (slides)...
there are a couple prime recruits for stanford beach that could be doing nice things for the indoor team lmao (class of 2024)
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Post by bigjohn043 on Dec 20, 2023 11:34:52 GMT -5
Of course Vicini isn't as good as Inky. But factually she hit for a huge percentage. If she isn't terminal then why does she terminate at such a high rate? It seems to me that setting a hitter who is hitting 400 a bit more is a good idea. And if you can make the MBs respect her you will get more opportunities on the pins. So Francis is the one who is terminal despite hitting for a lower percentage. Her issue is the very high error rate. 50 for 427 swings. That is a slightly lower percentage than the overall team who had 487 for 3967 swings. So I guess the whole team had a very high error rate while leading the nation in hitting. Interesting.... Stats aren't everything. But at some point facts and data matter. Since Miner has become our setter we have used the MBs way less. Forget Gates, Campbell and Alade got more sets in 2018 than our MBs did this year. IMO, Miner needs to set the MBs more..... No she doesn’t. Again, you are just looking at the stats and not the entire context. Gates and Campbell were better hitters than Vicini. Fact of the matter is, Vicini is a good role player, but that is all she ever was in the Stanford offense. You give her more sets and her hitting percentage goes down because she just doesn’t have the firepower to consistently put the ball away. She just isn’t that type of player for Stanford. I would venture to say Vicini and Francis were Stanford’s weakest pair of middles since Liz Suitsd and Franco Girard back in 2004. It doesn’t mean they are bad players obviously not. But Miner maximized their offensive capabilities. Hambly is not a horrible coach. If Vicini and Francis would be able to help the team out more, he would tell Miner to set them more. However, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this point. In her three non-covid seasons Campbell hit 328, 290 & 292. For those who think Francis is inconsistent, Campbell had a huge error rate. In 2019 she had 57 errors on 379 swings, an over 15% error rate. And it wasn't like she was set that much: 469, 379 & 393. If she is such a good hitter then why doesn't she hit so good? I guess we can agree to disagree.
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Post by midnightblue on Dec 20, 2023 11:44:22 GMT -5
in a good or bad way? i think it's a first that i've seen so much speculation of a student-athlete in the portal having their sights set on stanford (M Gates aside) - granted i haven't caught up with volleyball in a hot minute. Nobody knew about Gates. She applied to her Grad program at Stanford and enrolled. It wasn't until then that Hambly found out she was coming to Stanford and had a year of eligibility left. Anyway, there hasn't been an undergrad transfer into the program yet (Amanda Gil tried back in the day)... I don't foresee it happening now.
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Post by hammer on Dec 20, 2023 12:05:49 GMT -5
We have scholarship room Btw Stanford does get transfers. Rare 45-50 students per year 6-9 roughly undergrad athletes. In 2022 there were 3,141 transfer applicants, and 57 were accepted. Therefore, acceptance rate is 1.8%. 2021 numbers were very similar. Note: One of my brother-in-laws transferred in from Notre Dame years ago. Only person I personally know who did it. He was not an athlete and ended up with a EE degree.
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Post by badgercard on Dec 20, 2023 12:09:46 GMT -5
in a good or bad way? i think it's a first that i've seen so much speculation of a student-athlete in the portal having their sights set on stanford (M Gates aside) - granted i haven't caught up with volleyball in a hot minute. She's very good but we don't need any more pins, we need DS's and MB's. Harvery and Blyshov are going to be on the pins next year
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