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Post by ocmyhome on Apr 2, 2007 20:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by StanfordFan on Apr 2, 2007 20:11:12 GMT -5
When you're number 2 and lose an extremely close battle to number 1, why would you drop below number 3?
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Post by ocmyhome on Apr 2, 2007 20:18:30 GMT -5
So every close loss shouldn't result in a drop in the polls?
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Post by jr67 on Apr 2, 2007 20:28:28 GMT -5
If you go by the ranking, BYU beat a team they should've beaten twice and Irvine beat a team they should've beaten (USC) and loss to a team they should've loss to. None of this is any reason to change their respective rankings especially since BYU still has more losses than Irvine.
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Post by volleydog on Apr 3, 2007 0:17:09 GMT -5
You have to remember this is the VB poll. You just don't see nearly the same movement that you would see in similar win lose scenarios in basketball or football.
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 3, 2007 9:59:03 GMT -5
Being a BYU fan, I still agree with the rankings. Had BYU beat CBU a while ago I would think that BYU could make a case for the No. 2 spot because of the season as a whole. They lost two to Pepp like UCI (both teams lost one in 5 and one in 3). They own a 5-3 game advantage over UCI (albeit at home). They lost to CSUN while UCI dropped a match to UOP. I am not sure there is an advantage to this. CSUN and UOP have similar records, have split matches, and are close in the rankings. Though BYU has one more loss to CBU. I know BYU didn't play their starters, but a loss is a loss. In the scheme of things, they are both still poised to get the 2-3 seeds in the MPSF playoffs. If they do what they are supposed to then they will get to settle it on the court in Malibu.
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Post by beachman on Apr 3, 2007 11:31:04 GMT -5
Maybe BYU is finally paying a price for being the biggest cheaters in Men's D-1 Volleyball  |
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Post by volleydog on Apr 3, 2007 11:41:04 GMT -5
What a load.......I'm so tired of that crap. If they have been such cheaters, why hasn't the NCAA come down on them??
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Post by VBbeast on Apr 3, 2007 12:02:19 GMT -5
can we please leave that poor dead horse alone. I think its taken enough of a beating over the past 3 years. I am in no way a BYU fan or defender, but just tired of rehashing all the old stories.
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Post by banthony2 on Apr 3, 2007 13:18:23 GMT -5
I would think the biggest cheaters would be those who have had their national championships taken from them. **cough** Deuser **cough**
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Post by ocmyhome on Apr 3, 2007 13:20:50 GMT -5
Unfortunately there are a lot of BYU haters out there and I think it's cause of all the "cheater" banter... Which is getting old... Why does BYU get all these internationals? It's been said before but, BYU doesn't have a corner on the California market. They need to get their people elsewhere. It's not like anyone else hasn't gotten their share of international players either. But for them it suites them to stay at home and get the local crop. They are more than welcome to search the international seas for these players. And trust me, their not wearing a badge of honor vowing they won't go there. If they have a bite on some new/young/awesome/international recruit, they'll take it. I've heard it's too much red tape to get through. Too much compliance work. Cala hadn't even heard of BYU till he defected and arrived in Puerto Rico and ran in to a couple of past BYU players. Hector Lebron and Juaquin Acosta. They told him about the Y and the rest is history. No controversial recruiting going on there. UCLA and the famous Al Scates recruited Cala as well. As for the past players, they were never found guilty or "caught" or anything to this day. BYU does an excellent job in making sure the kids are compliant.
I'd say another reason that international kids look to BYU is because so many of the players themselves (home grown players) speak their languages. Spanish, etc... I'd say that's a plus for them to accustom themselves easier.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 4, 2007 8:34:01 GMT -5
If you people only had vision...Polls don't do anything but put pressure on a team. It is your division ranking that matters. BYU is now tied w/ UCI for 2nd and hold the tiebreaker in the MPSF against them. And really all this means is a lower seeded first round and home vs. away jerseys in the semi's against UCI at Firestone Fieldhouse. (Assuming they both win out.)
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Post by ocmyhome on Apr 4, 2007 9:21:10 GMT -5
What else it does is it helps comittee members decide who the at large will be (given the chance that UCI and BYU don't win the mpsf playoff). If BYU wants to make the semis then the higher rankings the better. Same goes for UCI. And since they've been 2nd for awhile, that's boading (sp?) well for them.
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Post by scorpianraider on Apr 4, 2007 16:54:44 GMT -5
Unless something has changed:
Selection
[Reference: Annual Forms in this handbook, and Bylaws 31.01.2, 31.01.3 and
31.3 in the NCAA Manuals.]
Automatic qualifiers will be determined by championship tournaments
in each conference. The remaining at-large team will be selected
using the following criteria (in no priority order):
(a) won-lost record;
(b) strength of schedule,
• head-to-head competition
• home and away records
• records against common opponents
• results against teams already selected or qualified and other
teams under consideration; and
(c) eligibility and availability of student-athletes for NCAA championships.
All NCAA member institutions that sponsor intercollegiate men’s
volleyball under the auspices of the intercollegiate athletics department
will be considered for selection, provided that they are otherwise eligible
in the division in which they hold membership.
(Both winning out until MPS semifinals)
(a) won-lost record; (UCI 22-4, BYU 18-5)
(b) strength of schedule,
• head-to-head competition (BYU 5-3 in games won, 1-1 in matches)
• home and away records (UCI 11-2/11-2, BYU 9-1/9-4)
• records against common opponents (Tie)
• results against teams already selected or qualified and other teams under consideration; (UCI because of win over Penn State)
and
(c) eligibility and availability of student-athletes for NCAA championships. (tie)
I would say that BYU must advance further in the MPSF tournament than UC Irvine to get the at-large bid.
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Post by ocmyhome on Apr 4, 2007 17:45:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I'm glad to see it's structured as such. Of note, UCI will be 26-5 if they win out and BYU will be 23-5 till they meet. Edge UCI... But also, BYU played Penn State and swept them in Hawaii 3-0. UCI beat them in 4, Edge BYU. But yea, I agree, the Y will have to beat them in the semis for sure to get the at large.
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