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Post by kokyu on Dec 25, 2012 18:11:59 GMT -5
1's?
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Dec 25, 2012 20:50:47 GMT -5
1's? Sure! Draw a line bisecting the court lengthwise, so both players only have half the court to work with. Each player gets three contacts. Fun, and great practice for serve-receive, ball control, pulling, and disguising/reading.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 21:50:23 GMT -5
Well we play on a college campus with only one sand court so we sometimes play 3's for warm-up, and then have people sit-out for doubles most the time. If you're playing 2 to 4 vs 6 anywhere then you're definitely not playing against competent players. obviously, you've never played on my court...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 21:56:16 GMT -5
Ah, open gym - four out of five orthopedic surgeons recommend it because they'll get paid after some hack comes under the net and takes you out. Been there, no thanks. well, there's open gym, and then there's good open gym. ever played at a summer high school open gym? some are excellent. And 2 on 6 isn't volleyball, it's something eight year old's play in the back yard. well, i know for a fact i'm a long way from 8. and i'm pretty sure all 6 on the other side of the net were at least 8x4 or so. at least we weren't playing 1v1, and not allowing any double/triple contacts... (but i agree: short-court 1v1 is an excellent warmup.) There's all kinds of games on the sand - while doubles is obviously the preferred number, any given weekend, I'll play sixes, fours, one-on-one half court, co-ed, reverse co-ed, occasionally three's, you name it. and i sincerely applaud your flexibility, glm...
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Post by cwpsy on Dec 25, 2012 22:15:00 GMT -5
One-on is the only true game...full court against multiple opponents, three hits for the one player. When one AA doubles player takes out a 6 person BB indoor team, some feathers are ruffled.
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Post by kokyu on Dec 25, 2012 22:41:35 GMT -5
There's something really wrong about an A or AA player wanting to take on anyone they out-level to that degree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 23:44:20 GMT -5
yo cw: got it...
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Dec 25, 2012 23:45:36 GMT -5
Ah, open gym - four out of five orthopedic surgeons recommend it because they'll get paid after some hack comes under the net and takes you out. Been there, no thanks. well, there's open gym, and then there's good open gym. ever played at a summer high school open gym? some are excellent. Nah, I was mostly (but not entirely) kidding. Where I live has the highest concentration of good volleyball players in the U.S. - go to open gym here and it wouldn't be unusual for the guy setting to be a former AA, and any number of people showing up are highly likely to be former collegiate players. But in all honesty, since my competitive playing days are over and I only play VB recreationally now, I generally find playing indoor a bit boring and not the kind of workout I'm looking for. Give me sun, sand, and wind any time. Don't get me wrong, I very much enjoyed playing indoor back in the day and still very much enjoy watching it played at it's highest levels. But to me, beach is the purest expression of the sport, and it's ultimate test. Now, I know you and others on VT will vehemently disagree with me on this, which is perfectly fine. But, for example, in the space of 45 seconds on the beach, you're an OH, a setter, a libero, and a middle. There's no hiding on serve/receive, only playing three rotations, or being pulled for a serving specialist. If you don't have a total game, you will be exposed and sent packing. On a related subject, that reminds me - I recall you or someone else saying that a quality OH would salivate at the prospect of a solo blocker. Not so fast, my friend. One, the beach court is smaller, so the angles and hitting area are tighter. Two, the blocker knows exactly where the ball is going - he/she always has time to set up the block. Three, a hitter has to pass 50% of the court and then make their approach after passing a serve deep line, deep middle, short etc. Four - wind, sun & sand. It's no coincidence that numerous great indoor hitters who have dabbled in the AVP haven't had much success. Reid Priddy never did better than a 9th in 30-odd tournaments (he took a 17th with Todd Rogers of all people). In 27 tournaments, Logan Tom has one 2nd (with McPeak) and a bunch of 5th's, 7th's, 9th's. You can't come to the beach and think you're going to blister the ball and win. Beach. Ain't. Easy. Plus, where in indoor can you go jump in the ocean after a match and then walk to Shellback, Silvio's or Hennessy's for post-game pitchers? Beach FTW, Baby.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 23:51:56 GMT -5
well, there's open gym, and then there's good open gym. ever played at a summer high school open gym? some are excellent. Nah, I was mostly (but not entirely) kidding. Where I live has the highest concentration of good volleyball players in the U.S. - go to open gym here and it wouldn't be unusual for the guy setting to be a former AA, and any number of people showing up are highly likely to be former collegiate players. But in all honesty, since my competitive playing days are over and I only play VB recreationally now, I generally find playing indoor a bit boring and not the kind of workout I'm looking for. Give me sun, sand, and wind any time. Don't get me wrong, I very much enjoyed playing indoor back in the day and still very much enjoy watching it played at it's highest levels. But to me, beach is the purest expression of the sport, and it's ultimate test. Now, I know you and others on VT will vehemently disagree with me on this, which is perfectly fine. But, for example, in the space of 45 seconds on the beach, you're an OH, a setter, a libero, and a middle. There's no hiding on serve/receive, only playing three rotations, or being pulled for a serving specialist. If you don't have a total game, you will be exposed and sent packing. On a related subject, that reminds me - I recall you or someone else saying that a quality OH would salivate at the prospect of a solo blocker. Not so fast, my friend. One, the beach court is smaller, so the angles and hitting area are tighter. Two, the blocker knows exactly where the ball is going - he/she always has time to set up the block. Three, a hitter has to pass 50% of the court and then make their approach after passing a serve deep line, deep middle, short etc. Four - wind, sun & sand. It's no coincidence that numerous great indoor hitters who have dabbled in the AVP haven't had much success. Reid Priddy never did better than a 9th in 30-odd tournaments (he took a 17th with Todd Rogers of all people). In 27 tournaments, Logan Tom has one 2nd (with McPeak) and a bunch of 5th's, 7th's, 9th's. You can't come to the beach and think you're going to blister the ball and win. Beach. Ain't. Easy. Plus, where in indoor can you go jump in the ocean after a match and then walk to Shellback, Silvio's or Hennessy's for post-game pitchers? Beach FTW, Baby. glm, my friend, it is refreshingly pleasant to be able to disagree agreeably on this board. i hear you, and it's great that we have both found our own athletic passion at this stage of our lives. and i must, of course, concede the correctness of your final point above...
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Post by kokyu on Dec 26, 2012 0:05:36 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I very much enjoyed playing indoor back in the day and still very much enjoy watching it played at it's highest levels. But to me, beach is the purest expression of the sport, and it's ultimate test. Now, I know you and others on VT will vehemently disagree with me on this, which is perfectly fine. But, for example, in the space of 45 seconds on the beach, you're an OH, a setter, a libero, and a middle. There's no hiding on serve/receive, only playing three rotations, or being pulled for a serving specialist. If you don't have a total game, you will be exposed and sent packing. Yes. When I watch players indoors it's relatively easy to see the players who aren't cut out for beach. I'm really looking forward to seeing women's college beach starting up next year. I still play doubles on old school sand court, so defense has to be that much better. Best beach defenders in AVP history in order: Sinjin, Kiraly, Dodd.
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Dec 26, 2012 2:21:32 GMT -5
glm, my friend, it is refreshingly pleasant to be able to disagree agreeably on this board. i hear you, and it's great that we have both found our own athletic passion at this stage of our lives. Fair enough. But I'm still going to give you a hard time when you post on beach threads.
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Post by Semp12 on Dec 26, 2012 11:46:41 GMT -5
For indoor pickup, most competitive people would rather play a competitive game of even teams with someone sitting than play odd. 6 v. 5 could still be a competitive game, but typically the uneven teams thing is for recreational play. competitive people would rather sit than play? i can only tell you that is not my experience. in fact, i and some of the other competitive people i play with rather enjoy the challenge of going 3 or 4 v 6. we've even occasionally played 2 v 6. apparently sand players aren't up to a similar odd-sided challenge? i don't even dare to go into the reasons why that might be... I'm not talking about being on the side with less people, I'm talking about being on the side with more people. Why would someone want to waste their time? Unless it's against some Olympian.. I just don't see the "joy" in the uneven games from the larger side. Maybe competitive isn't the right word here but "advanced and competitive"? Maybe Open Gym isn't the right word either, as that typically means tons of people of various skill levels where you probably are there more for recreation and exercise. I'd say find me a group of college aged athletes coming home for Christmas Break, thet are just not playing these weird uneven games. There are exceptions. 5 on 6 can work. 3 v 4 to warm up and practice, sure. But to play a competitive game? I don't like it and I know a lot who wouldn't either. On the same token, there is a drill or two I like to do with bigger indoor teams that does consist of different team sizes and adding and subtracting players. I like it since it gets indoor players thinking more like beach players on defense. The 2 v 6.. seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 12:57:42 GMT -5
i wouldn't lie to you, my friend. last comment on all this: i actually prefer -- and i know others who feel the same way -- to play shortsided. makes you work harder, along with the mental aspect of the challenge...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 12:58:42 GMT -5
glm, my friend, it is refreshingly pleasant to be able to disagree agreeably on this board. i hear you, and it's great that we have both found our own athletic passion at this stage of our lives. Fair enough. But I'm still going to give you a hard time when you post on beach threads. i, along with all your stalkers followers here, would expect nothing less... ;D
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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 26, 2012 13:32:58 GMT -5
GLM....I'd like to be your first witness for the prosecution.....Have you EVER heard a beach doubles player say: I need the ball more! OK, maybe when they serve your partner exclusively, but even THEN, you can option some stuff up to keep them going....Oh, the Pacific Ocean as a backdrop vs. the "Gym-rat" environment, the wharf, NO court charge, a breeze to keep the techniques in check, casual environment, relative injury-free, shoe-free and, as my partner would say: “the scenery stays interesting”
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