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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 14, 2012 14:04:46 GMT -5
Nobody thinks he is never going to have a bad game. Tom even discusses that in his article, assuming you bothered to read it. And FWIW, you should understand that Poynter is not a news source. It's a professional association of journalists. Apologies for not making this clear, but this isn't a general news article. It's a message from one senior journalist aimed at other journalists. However, I did think it would be an interesting discussion item for us on this board, where similar issues sometimes come into play. You put the term sterotypes in your title. Yes, because that is the major issue being discussed in the article. You obviously didn't even read it. He is warning journalists not to lean on using stereotypes in stories about Lin (and by extension, others). If you had read it you would have realized your comments are completely irrelevant to the story I posted.
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Post by Phaedrus on Feb 14, 2012 14:07:38 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/sports/basketball/knicks-dantoni-finds-object-of-his-basketball-affection.html?_r=1&ref=sportsJeremy Lin is not Steve Nash, although his poking, prodding, hunt-and-peck approach to finding open lanes evokes Nash’s style. Lin does not have Nash’s pedigree, or his 3-point shot. But he does have D’Antoni, whom he called “an absolute offensive genius” last week. The results are swoon-worthy. In five games, four as a starter, the formerly unknown Lin has averaged 26.8 points and 8 assists with a .515 field-goal percentage. He has revived a flagging Knicks team, brought the thrill back to Madison Square Garden and sparked an international sensation. . . . . More than reviving D’Antoni’s offense, Lin has re-proved the virtues that it is based on: ball movement, player movement, finding the open man, the best shot. He has done what Anthony could not — turned the Knicks’ middling role players into effective scoring threats. Jared Jeffries, Landry Fields and Shumpert all seem revived since Lin took over the offense. Steve Novak is averaging 15.5 points and shooting .538 from the field in the last five games, after barely making a shot in the first six weeks. The Knicks’ field-goal percentage has spiked up, from .425 in the 23 games before Lin took over, to .457 in the last five games. Their scoring is up, too, from 94.7 points per game (before Lin) to 99.4 points (with Lin). Teammates praise Lin for his perseverance, but they credit D’Antoni with providing the template for success: a system that keeps the offense spread and players in motion.
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Post by head31919 on Feb 14, 2012 15:01:11 GMT -5
Mr. Lin is a flash in the pan. He will settle down to avg 10 pts and 5 asst per game. On the flip side, 10 and 5 will make you 30mil over an 8-year career in the NBA.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 15:10:34 GMT -5
Mike, elevation is too busy being offended by the possibility that there is racism and that there are stereotypes in the world.
Countdown to his complaint about a "race card" begins now ...
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Feb 14, 2012 15:22:50 GMT -5
Mr. Lin is a flash in the pan. He will settle down to avg 10 pts and 5 asst per game. On the flip side, 10 and 5 will make you 30mil over an 8-year career in the NBA. Sure will, just ask "Flip" Murray. Anyone remember him? He came out of nowhere, was inserted into the Sonics starting lineup when Ray Allen was hurt and tore up the league for about a month. He then settled into a nice NBA career as a backup. Personally, I think Lin will more or less follow suit, but if the kid proves me wrong, more power to him. Stoudamire is back tonight, Anthony apparently later this week, and Baron Davis is close to returning. I don't think Stoudamire will be an issue - he has to be having happy flashbacks to Phoenix where he lived off the pick and roll with Nash - but Anthony is an iso player who will take the ball out of Lin's hands (I wonder if Melo has noticed that the Nuggets played better after he left, and that the Knicks have gone on a winning streak during his injury. Probably not), and Davis will cut into Lin's minutes. Lin has a couple of serious flaws - he's a turnover machine and his range maxes out at about 18 feet, but those are correctable. I've been impressed with his sneaky change of pace and his strength driving to the bucket - he can absorb contact and still finish. Has that knack for knowing when to kick the ball out to a wing as well. He's a legit player, but I have a hard time seeing him continuing to put up Chris Paul/Derrick Rose numbers.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 14, 2012 17:34:39 GMT -5
Carmelo will destroy LinSANITY. "Pass the ball" is not in his vocabulary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 17:43:22 GMT -5
Carmelo has figured out how to spell Team with an i.
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Post by truffleshuffle on Feb 14, 2012 20:36:15 GMT -5
The real irony is that he probably deserved a scholarship offer somewhere, but never got one. His dream school was actually UCLA, but Ben Howland wouldn't give him the time of day. to be fair, there are probably 100 kids who could play at minor schools but want a scholarship to ucla, and almost all of them turn out to be bums. howland doesn't have time to go through every kid who wants to play hoops at ucla and find the one who will turn out to be good.
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Post by elevationvb on Feb 14, 2012 23:40:35 GMT -5
Mike, elevation is too busy being offended by the possibility that there is racism and that there are stereotypes in the world. Countdown to his complaint about a "race card" begins now ... I know you cannot help being yourself, but I suggest you take your personal BS to the politics board.
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Post by elevationvb on Feb 14, 2012 23:42:16 GMT -5
On the flip side, 10 and 5 will make you 30mil over an 8-year career in the NBA. Sure will, just ask "Flip" Murray. Anyone remember him? He came out of nowhere, was inserted into the Sonics starting lineup when Ray Allen was hurt and tore up the league for about a month. He then settled into a nice NBA career as a backup. Personally, I think Lin will more or less follow suit, but if the kid proves me wrong, more power to him. Stoudamire is back tonight, Anthony apparently later this week, and Baron Davis is close to returning. I don't think Stoudamire will be an issue - he has to be having happy flashbacks to Phoenix where he lived off the pick and roll with Nash - but Anthony is an iso player who will take the ball out of Lin's hands (I wonder if Melo has noticed that the Nuggets played better after he left, and that the Knicks have gone on a winning streak during his injury. Probably not), and Davis will cut into Lin's minutes. Lin has a couple of serious flaws - he's a turnover machine and his range maxes out at about 18 feet, but those are correctable. I've been impressed with his sneaky change of pace and his strength driving to the bucket - he can absorb contact and still finish. Has that knack for knowing when to kick the ball out to a wing as well. He's a legit player, but I have a hard time seeing him continuing to put up Chris Paul/Derrick Rose numbers. excellent observation on Stoudamire & his previous relationship with Nash. The Knicks pulled off another win tonight with Lin playing a major role.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 15, 2012 1:53:22 GMT -5
Here's Tom on ESPN:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 8:49:53 GMT -5
Mike, elevation is too busy being offended by the possibility that there is racism and that there are stereotypes in the world. Countdown to his complaint about a "race card" begins now ... I know you cannot help being yourself, but I suggest you take your personal BS to the politics board. Why? You post your BS on this board, too.
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Post by elevationvb on Feb 15, 2012 11:19:14 GMT -5
I know you cannot help being yourself, but I suggest you take your personal BS to the politics board. Why? You post your BS on this board, too. sadly, you just can't help yourself.
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Post by elevationvb on Feb 15, 2012 12:02:05 GMT -5
Here comes the expertise from "journalists" www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-s-goodman/jeremy-lin_b_1277250.html?ref=business Profiling is how the human mind works, fair or otherwise. We assume attributes, strengths and weaknesses, experiences and inclinations based on how people look and sound. They are based on the patterns that we have seen and heard before -- the people we know at school and work, the characters we encounter on television, the things our parents say about others as we are growing up. Jeremy Lin is clearly a hell of a basketball player. Yet he had to persevere in the face of judgments that people who look like him are not the kinds of people we expect to see when we flip on the television and tune in an NBA game.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 15, 2012 12:45:40 GMT -5
I'll point out for people who may not have read it that a whole section of Tom's article is warning journalists to not settle for simple categories like "Lin is Asian" or "Lin is Christian" or "Lin is Ivy League". Real people are more complicated than this.
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