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Post by johnbar on Mar 15, 2013 15:05:47 GMT -5
Another problem with using the teams' records is that the season is short. You'd have to play at least 4 or 5 matches before the records might distinguish between the teams (assuming the pairs are not rearranged during that time). Then you've got maybe 3 or 4 matches left.
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Post by fiusanpanthers on Mar 15, 2013 20:43:11 GMT -5
Interesting points. Curious. What will you need to do to play in the AVCA Championship? If it is about the win record than why not sandbag.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 15, 2013 23:55:05 GMT -5
Since it's supposed to be a _team_ championship, and not a set of pairs championship, why not do a random draw? Of both partners and opponents. Would be fun and interesting.
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 16, 2013 1:23:22 GMT -5
Since it's supposed to be a _team_ championship, and not a set of pairs championship, why not do a random draw? Of both partners and opponents. Would be fun and interesting. There will be both a team championship and pairs championship
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 16, 2013 1:24:28 GMT -5
Interesting points. Curious. What will you need to do to play in the AVCA Championship? If it is about the win record than why not sandbag. Top 3 teams from each region will be invited to the championship, and there are rules in place as far as pairs movement within the team.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 18, 2013 18:40:48 GMT -5
this thread again? advocate round-robin, or stop this nonsensical thread. round-robin kills the debate, otherwise live with it!!!
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Post by cdizzle on Mar 19, 2013 11:32:19 GMT -5
Just do what college tennis does. Limit the ability to for teams to move around. Each team has a set #1 pair, #2 pair, etc. If someone gets injured or there's a change in the order, a pair can only move up or down one space (it's not like prior records aren't available for coaches to check). If a coach feels that the other team is sandbagging, they can call for the ref to note it, and then pending a committee of other coaches' decision that team can later forfeit.
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Post by cdizzle on Mar 19, 2013 11:49:07 GMT -5
Interesting points. Curious. What will you need to do to play in the AVCA Championship? If it is about the win record than why not sandbag. This shouldn't be too bad to seed. Take two hypothetical duo's records at each position: Team A #1s: 4-4 #2s: 6-2 #3s (?): 4-0 Combined record: 14-6 Team B: #3s: 2-4 #4s: 5-1 #5s: 8-0 Combined record: 15-5 Team B has the better overall record, but they sandbagged and/or just played behind better other duos on their own team. It's pretty easy to see that team A should actually be seeded higher based on their better record against common opponents (#3s) and the fact that they won more matches against better opponents (#1s and #2s). You run into some issues when looking at teams like LBSU with maybe 4 or 5 awesome teams who all have almost perfect records, but I think the answer there is to just limit the number of duos from each school to the best 2 (or maybe 3)--nobody wants to see a tournament comprised of all LBSU playing against each other anyways.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 19, 2013 12:32:09 GMT -5
Just do what college tennis does. Limit the ability to for teams to move around. Each team has a set #1 pair, #2 pair, etc. If someone gets injured or there's a change in the order, a pair can only move up or down one space (it's not like prior records aren't available for coaches to check). If a coach feels that the other team is sandbagging, they can call for the ref to note it, and then pending a committee of other coaches' decision that team can later forfeit. That is exactly what is happening this season - schools can play with their lineups for the first two weeks of the season, after that they have to lock in their pairs, and can only move them up or down one spot. Also, only #1 and #2 pairs are eligible to be invited to the pairs national championship - so a coach has to decide if it is really worth it to put one of his/her top teams in, say, the #3 slot and waste a chance at winning the pairs NC. This is only the second go around for sand volleyball - it will take some time to iron out the rules.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 19, 2013 12:34:28 GMT -5
Interesting points. Curious. What will you need to do to play in the AVCA Championship? If it is about the win record than why not sandbag. Final Four teams are selected by a committee. Win/Loss is obviously a major factor, but not the only one.
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Post by FOBRA on Mar 19, 2013 14:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by vbvalley on Mar 20, 2013 11:44:37 GMT -5
Sandbagging goes on with all of the teams. My daughter played last weekend at USC and Saturday was the team competition. The next day was the single elimination day and teams were changed by some of the schools for that. It resulted in some great matches.
Since it is allowed, it is part of the strategy and coaches get paid to win. Too bad, though, for the players and the spectators as some of the team matches are really horrible to watch and cannot be fun for either the winning or losing team. It will be interesting to see how much sandbagging goes on when the regional championships start in a few weeks.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 20, 2013 11:46:49 GMT -5
Sandbagging goes on with all of the teams. My daughter played last weekend at USC and Saturday was the team competition. The next day was the single elimination day and teams were changed by some of the schools for that. It resulted in some great matches. Since it is allowed, it is part of the strategy and coaches get paid to win. Too bad, though, for the players and the spectators as some of the team matches are really horrible to watch and cannot be fun for either the winning or losing team. It will be interesting to see how much sandbagging goes on when the regional championships start in a few weeks. Keep in mind that teams are allowed to juggle their lineups at will right now - but that changes shortly (next week, I think?)
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