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Post by James on Dec 12, 2012 10:50:04 GMT -5
Back on a slightly better topic (for me anyways!), I have mixed feelings about Michigan in the Final Four. Makes our loss to them a bit more palatable. But they were very beatable, we just didn't come out of the gate strong enough. Oh well, ifs and buts...merry Christmas!
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Post by nakedcrayon on Dec 12, 2012 12:13:42 GMT -5
I am in no way knocking MP at all. What i am saying is i think some people are underestimating what AS did for TAMU this past year. Both setters led their team to confernce records that got them inot the NCAA tourney and both lost to final four teams in that tourney. While i think MP may be a better setter on the technical side i am honestly sick of Prime continuing to bash AS for the season she had. If you look at conference stats. MP had more digs and assists but AS had more assists per set, kills, blocks, aces. While i want the setters position to be more set oriented then it was it worked this year with undersized outsides having better season than their size would likely have indicated
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Post by pj on Dec 12, 2012 12:36:13 GMT -5
I'm with you Crayon. The personal attacks are getting a little stalkerish. I did a little research. I used Conference stats since that is the most equitable for comparison purposes. (I couldn't find conference stats for Tennessee so used Season stats)
Assists 1. Brauneis 11.63 2. Hartman 10.97 3. Sawatzky 10.81 4. Pollmiller 10.75 5. Wilson 10.45
To most of us it seems obvious that when you have a setter that attacks a lot, they will have fewer asissts. (Duh)
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Post by pj on Dec 12, 2012 12:48:07 GMT -5
Whoops. Posted prematurely!
Kill for the top 5 in Assists 1. Sawatzky 1.77/set 2. Hartman .77 3. Brauneis .61 4. Wilson .60 5. Pollmiller .55
Add the assits and kills together 1. Sawatzky 12.58 2. Brauneis 12.24 3. Hartman 11.74 4. Pollmiller 11.30 5. Wilson 11.05
Blocks 1. Hartman .59/set 2. Sawatzky .55 3. Brauneis .45 4. Wilson .36 5. Pollmiller .34
Digs 1. Pollmiller 2.47 2. Sawatzky 2.21 3. Hartman 2.07 4. Wilson 1.97 5. Brauneis 1.68
And here's a fun stat. Add the contribution of assists/kills/digs and blocks per set.
1. Sawatzky 15.34 2. Hartman 14.4 3. Brauneis 14.37 4. Pollmiller 14.11 5. Wilson 13.38
Sorry if the facts get in the way of your personal agenda.
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Post by James on Dec 12, 2012 13:47:44 GMT -5
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Post by nwa on Dec 12, 2012 14:00:17 GMT -5
Whoops. Posted prematurely! Kill for the top 5 in Assists 1. Sawatzky 1.77/set 2. Hartman .77 3. Brauneis .61 4. Wilson .60 5. Pollmiller .55 Add the assits and kills together 1. Sawatzky 12.58 2. Brauneis 12.24 3. Hartman 11.74 4. Pollmiller 11.30 5. Wilson 11.05 Blocks 1. Hartman .59/set 2. Sawatzky .55 3. Brauneis .45 4. Wilson .36 5. Pollmiller .34 Digs 1. Pollmiller 2.47 2. Sawatzky 2.21 3. Hartman 2.07 4. Wilson 1.97 5. Brauneis 1.68 And here's a fun stat. Add the contribution of assists/kills/digs and blocks per set. 1. Sawatzky 15.34 2. Hartman 14.4 3. Brauneis 14.37 4. Pollmiller 14.11 5. Wilson 13.38 Sorry if the facts get in the way of your personal agenda. Stats are skewed a bit (for arguments sake) because what they don't show is Hartman played in a 6-2 for a bunch of matches and Pollmiller was in a 6-2 or semi 6-2 all season. The system a player plays in might dictate what type of stats they can achieve but doesn't always dictate their true talent level. In that case it makes all these comparisons very hard.
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Post by pj on Dec 12, 2012 16:06:38 GMT -5
I agree with your point about stats making it hard to compare. Assists are also one of the worst ways to compare setters. Setters on teams that win more, usually have more assists because their team scores more points. That doesn't mean that a setter on a losing team is not as good as a setter on a winning team because she has less assists.
I'm not trying to diminish any other setter and I'm not arguing Sawatzky is better than any other setter. I simply tried to put some numbers on the table because statements like "you've obviously never been a setter" or "everyone at Texas and Florida knows she can't block" are laughable arguments. I've seen all these girls in person this year and have watched them many more times on-line. Each one is unique and brings her own mix to the team and those skills are hard to compare. I'd be happy with any of them on my team. I've really enjoyed watching Sawatzky play for the last three years and like nakedcrayon, I am tired of a certain poster who finds a way to try to put down Sawatzky every time someone mentions A&M.
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Dec 12, 2012 17:51:31 GMT -5
Gators get some honors: Chloe Mann: 1st Team AA Ziva Recek: NFOY, Honorable Mention AA Taylor Brauneis: Honorable Mention AA Tangerine Wiggs: Honorable Mention AA
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Post by goodtobeagator on Dec 12, 2012 17:56:45 GMT -5
I agree with your point about stats making it hard to compare. Assists are also one of the worst ways to compare setters. Setters on teams that win more, usually have more assists because their team scores more points. That doesn't mean that a setter on a losing team is not as good as a setter on a winning team because she has less assists. I'm not trying to diminish any other setter and I'm not arguing Sawatzky is better than any other setter. I simply tried to put some numbers on the table because statements like "you've obviously never been a setter" or "everyone at Texas and Florida knows she can't block" are laughable arguments. I've seen all these girls in person this year and have watched them many more times on-line. Each one is unique and brings her own mix to the team and those skills are hard to compare. I'd be happy with any of them on my team. I've really enjoyed watching Sawatzky play for the last three years and like nakedcrayon, I am tired of a certain poster who finds a way to try to put down Sawatzky every time someone mentions A&M. Worst first paragraph ever. Emphasis on the last sentence of the first paragraph. No one remembers the player with the prettiest technique. They remember the players that won the most. If ya don't win, ya become forgotten. What are you guys arguing about? Who was the 2nd best setter in the SEC during a down year? Get a grip. Jeez.
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Post by goodtobeagator on Dec 12, 2012 17:57:33 GMT -5
Gators get some honors: Chloe Mann: 1st Team AA Ziva Recek: NFOY Taylor Brauneis: Honorable Mention AA Tangerine Wiggs: Honorable Mention AA Don't shortchange Ziva, Thrill! She was HM AA too!
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Dec 12, 2012 19:01:48 GMT -5
Gators get some honors: Chloe Mann: 1st Team AA Ziva Recek: NFOY Taylor Brauneis: Honorable Mention AA Tangerine Wiggs: Honorable Mention AA Don't shortchange Ziva, Thrill! She was HM AA too! Well, you know, I brag about the kid so much I felt I should be more subtle.
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Post by OptimusPrime on Dec 12, 2012 19:10:18 GMT -5
Whoops. Posted prematurely! Kill for the top 5 in Assists 1. Sawatzky 1.77/set 2. Hartman .77 3. Brauneis .61 4. Wilson .60 5. Pollmiller .55 Add the assits and kills together 1. Sawatzky 12.58 2. Brauneis 12.24 3. Hartman 11.74 4. Pollmiller 11.30 5. Wilson 11.05 Blocks 1. Hartman .59/set 2. Sawatzky .55 3. Brauneis .45 4. Wilson .36 5. Pollmiller .34 Digs 1. Pollmiller 2.47 2. Sawatzky 2.21 3. Hartman 2.07 4. Wilson 1.97 5. Brauneis 1.68 And here's a fun stat. Add the contribution of assists/kills/digs and blocks per set. 1. Sawatzky 15.34 2. Hartman 14.4 3. Brauneis 14.37 4. Pollmiller 14.11 5. Wilson 13.38 Sorry if the facts get in the way of your personal agenda. Stats are skewed a bit (for arguments sake) because what they don't show is Hartman played in a 6-2 for a bunch of matches and Pollmiller was in a 6-2 or semi 6-2 all season. The system a player plays in might dictate what type of stats they can achieve but doesn't always dictate their true talent level. In that case it makes all these comparisons very hard. Yes. Stats are very skewed especially if you consider the uneven nature of the SEC matches. For example A&M only played Florida once. I can use proper stats to prove my point but enough is enough ... I have no personal agenda just a pet peeve! I have been critical of many coaches trying to turn every 6'1+ lefty into a setter. I have mentioned many times, not everyone can be a Kelly Murphy. I was very critical of one of my all time favorite RS/OPP Ashley Engle. She was a super attacker but only an average setter. The last couple of years of Emily Young was wasted on trying to turn her into a setter because she is a 6'2" lefty. She would have most likely started as a RS this year if her last couple of years were not partially wasted on trying to get her to set more. That is more my agenda than anything else. It is a dis-service to the game! The unexplainable love for turning these girls into setters instead of great RS attackers is more my agenda than anything else. Check out the AVCA 1st, 2nd, and even 3rd team AAs this year. The Lauren's of the volleyball world are what we want as setters.
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Post by James on Dec 12, 2012 20:06:50 GMT -5
...What are you guys arguing about? Who was the 2nd best setter in the SEC during a down year? Get a grip. Jeez. You win, hands down! Now let's talk about something important. Like how they screwed up SEC Libero of the Year!
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Post by goodtobeagator on Dec 12, 2012 20:15:55 GMT -5
Don't shortchange Ziva, Thrill! She was HM AA too! Well, you know, I brag about the kid so much I felt I should be more subtle. C'mon bro! This is when you get to brag on them, when they're holding hardware.....
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Post by goodtobeagator on Dec 12, 2012 20:19:12 GMT -5
...What are you guys arguing about? Who was the 2nd best setter in the SEC during a down year? Get a grip. Jeez. You win, hands down! Now let's talk about something important. Like how they screwed up SEC Libero of the Year! That one was just screwy because none of them really stood out. Klefot basically won by default because she has been good for so long. Put her in any other major conference and she might not make all conference. Same goes for any of the other candidates. Was just not a great Libero year.
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