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Post by gobears on Aug 9, 2012 17:45:49 GMT -5
When watching the USA women's match today, there was a TV camera that had a quick shot - 5 sec? of a relative of a player I guess it was......and 3 seats away there was a staff person of the opposing team sitting in team uni with clipboard obviously charting/scouting.
Sitting about mid court 5 rows up.
As soon as the staff person saw he was on overhead cam he motioned fast to get the camera away...to stop showing him.
Looked strange.
I don't think you can do that in NCAA ball, but am not sure.
Are there rules on this? That don't apply after college vb.?
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2012 17:51:12 GMT -5
Rules against scouting are cost-containment rules, so that schools that can afford to fly scouts around don't have an advantage over those who can't.
I have heard that in the Pac-12 all schools are required to exchange game videos.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 9, 2012 18:24:02 GMT -5
Rules against scouting are cost-containment rules, so that schools that can afford to fly scouts around don't have an advantage over those who can't. I have heard that in the Pac-12 all schools are required to exchange game videos. video exchange is mandatory in all the major conferences. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 18:25:47 GMT -5
Why are Pac12 teams scouting Brazil?
This expansion is getting out of hand.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2012 18:26:49 GMT -5
Why are Pac12 teams scouting Brazil? This expansion is getting out of hand. You guys started it! |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 9, 2012 21:01:04 GMT -5
Why are Pac12 teams scouting Brazil? This expansion is getting out of hand. You guys started it! Actually no, everybody knows it started when The Longhorn Network made a bid for the exclusive rights to air the CEV Champions League and keep 70% of the revenue for Texas. |
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 9, 2012 21:01:08 GMT -5
I don't think you can do that in NCAA ball, but am not sure. DI is no live scouting unless you are involved in the tournament you're scouting at. |
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Post by baywatcher on Aug 9, 2012 21:35:38 GMT -5
American caches are talking to somebody on those headsets; doubt it's to each other on the bench.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 9, 2012 22:28:52 GMT -5
I don't think you can do that in NCAA ball, but am not sure. DI is no live scouting unless you are involved in the tournament you're scouting at. The rules on scouting only apply to coaches and athletic department staff. I've actually seen some pretty obvious volunteer scouts in the stands before. They were busy taking notes and were quite obvious about where their rooting interest stood. Back in 2006 Cal made it to the regional semis. They were going to play the winner of the Stanford-Missouri match at Stanford, which was delayed a day due to a weather issue in the midwest. That gave the Cal players an opportunity to go there and scout themselves. They weren't prompted by the coaching staff and paid their own way. That was all perfectly legal since they weren't coaches or athletic dept staff. If it weren't, someone from Stanford would have noticed and told them to leave. I have actually heard of coaches attending matches who were noticed and were told to leave. |
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Post by baywatcher on Aug 10, 2012 1:12:31 GMT -5
I was taking notes on a laptop at a UCSB-Pepperdine match years ago at UCSB, sitting across from the benches and as far toward the end as I could get. The old UCSB coach (Preston?) actually stopped the match at around set point and had the up ref come over and ask if I was scouting. UCSB went on to lose the set and I always felt a little bad, as the coach was more worried about me than the match at a critical point. From that I always inferred it was illegal for anybody to scout, not just the staff.
I'm also sure I saw Marv Dunphy at an Elephant Bar finals day, which would clearly be against the rules as Pepperdine was not playing. Maybe he felt discriminated against since all the teams were MPSF and could thoroughly scout each other.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 10, 2012 1:14:55 GMT -5
I'm also sure I saw Marv Dunphy at an Elephant Bar finals day, which would clearly be against the rules as Pepperdine was not playing. Maybe he felt discriminated against since all the teams were MPSF and could thoroughly scout each other. Or maybe it's just that volleyball coaches like to watch volleyball? I know I like to check out airplanes that other companies have built, not because I'm "scouting" them but because aero engineers love airplanes. |
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Post by gobruins on Aug 10, 2012 6:24:07 GMT -5
I don't think the no-scouting rule applies to Men's College VB. I have seen Ken Preston (and many other MPSF coaches) watching UCLA matches at Pauley Pavilion.
One time, as I was headed out after the match, saw Preston walking into the garage with the match's referee, Rick Olmsted. Guess they car-pooled from Santa Barbara.
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Post by gobears on Aug 10, 2012 9:11:50 GMT -5
So there appears to be no such rules for post college, National Team matches. ??
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 10, 2012 11:23:28 GMT -5
Personally I have always been surprised this issue doesn't come up all the time. For example, It would be trivial to have a volunteer/parent sitting on each end line corner to watch the coaches hand signals to the server, then call out a pre-arranged signal that sounds like just another spectator cheer -- "All the way Bears!" means deep serve, "be ready!" means short serve, etc.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 10, 2012 11:38:52 GMT -5
Personally I have always been surprised this issue doesn't come up all the time. For example, It would be trivial to have a volunteer/parent sitting on each end line corner to watch the coaches hand signals to the server, then call out a pre-arranged signal that sounds like just another spectator cheer -- "All the way Bears!" means deep serve, "be ready!" means short serve, etc. Just knock him down at the plate then. Oh wait, wrong sport. |
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