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Post by USAV on Jan 26, 2003 5:34:32 GMT -5
Foreigners give Hawaii a little edge. It also raises the level of the college game. If Costas wants a college education I don't see what the probelm is.
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Post by roy on Jan 26, 2003 6:09:24 GMT -5
Foreigners give Hawaii a little edge. It also raises the level of the college game. If Costas wants a college education I don't see what the probelm is. I agree with this. I think it raises the college game where it helps to prepare some of our college players for international volleyball and training with the US National team. Imagine a team of all USA college players, such as Toppel, Keenan, Rooney, etc. They play in a college enviornment against teams without any foreign players. Now we move them into the international game against the likes of Costas. I think it would scare them. This may in some way help them move into the national team without such growing pains. But true, it does give teams some advantage. But I dont think Hawaii was Costas first choice. Wasn't he recruited to Santa Barbara or something first? |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Jan 26, 2003 7:29:26 GMT -5
Good grief! What a whiney topic! Have you guys ever been to a high school event? The age difference in a basketball game can be 4-5 years EASY! I have even been on the losing side of a 7 year age differential! The age difference for a teenager is far more critical than an 18-24 year old. Not sure about other states, but Hawaii has some pretty stiff restrictions on HS athletes. In recent memory the Andersons were held back a year academically at Iolani and not able to participate their senior year in basketball. As far as the topic goes, it isn't cheating, but I think steps need to be taken to make it a little more fair. Either that, or I think we will see the influx of more and more foreign players pushing out homegrown talent. |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Jan 26, 2003 7:32:16 GMT -5
Maybe Hawaii won't need to recruit foreign players in the coming years as they've gotten a few fab 50 recruits the past couple of years. I think that was the main reason Mike recruited foreign players. Everyone knows that if you're a coach and your team doesn't have a winning record you'll eventurally get fired. UCLA, Pepperdine, Long Beach, Stanford year in and year out have had 4-8 Fab 50 recruits and simply out slugged Hawaii. Mark Presho comes to mind as pretty big past recruit. Considering how many volleyball programs are left I don't think it would be too hard for most schools to recruit nothing but fab 50s. |
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Post by ACE on Jan 26, 2003 14:48:23 GMT -5
who are you vball? and ace, sounds to me like you're from hawaii, how could you forget the "condor" Clay Stanley who stands at 6' 9". Clay, wasn't a heavily recruited player by everyone, however, because he didn't play high school volleyball. |
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Post by Not a former all american on Jan 26, 2003 15:39:25 GMT -5
I agree with this. I think it raises the college game where it helps to prepare some of our college players for international volleyball and training with the US National team. Imagine a team of all USA college players, such as Toppel, Keenan, Rooney, etc. They play in a college enviornment against teams without any foreign players. Now we move them into the international game against the likes of Costas. I think it would scare them. This may in some way help them move into the national team without such growing pains. But true, it does give teams some advantage. But I dont think Hawaii was Costas first choice. Wasn't he recruited to Santa Barbara or something first? Yes, actually UCSB was Costas first choice to go to school, but they did not want him, so he plays a little harder against them. Big loss for them. |
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Post by g on Jan 26, 2003 19:59:01 GMT -5
But I dont think Hawaii was Costas first choice. Wasn't he recruited to Santa Barbara or something first? I remember reading he tried for UCSB but Preston turned him down. Stoooopid. |
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Post by Beachy on Jan 27, 2003 0:06:31 GMT -5
This is a troll message. Hawaii does not cheat simply because it has foreign players so the headlines of this thread were written to rile the Hawaii fans. Mission accomplished. As stated in other posts, many D1,D2 schools have foreign players. Some have questionable volleyball backgrounds. We can only rely on the NCAA for enforcement of its rules. This may be naive but it is our only recourse. (or we could just whine and whine about it online  ) We are not in danger of losing Volleyball as a D1 sport because there are not enough players. This is a fallacy. We do not need foreign players to fill out rosters so there are enough teams. There are a multitude of players that would love to play at this level. That is the frustration of many who would prefer to see scholarships go to US players first. The lack of D1 schools with volleyball teams is more a result of Title 9. (we could whine about that, too  ) If anyone had any proof of any player playing in a professional league, they should foward that information to the NCAA and then follow up on the results. They may learn something about the rules. It is getting old to hear about all the cheating accusations. |
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Post by Clara Balara on Jan 27, 2003 2:35:59 GMT -5
FYI, Costas Theocharidis didn't even make the cut for the Greek National Team this past summer! But the fact that the Hawaii team with his help can spank any top US collegiate team!
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Post by ITK on Jan 27, 2003 3:50:56 GMT -5
FYI, Costas Theocharidis didn't even make the cut for the Greek National Team this past summer! But the fact that the Hawaii team with his help can spank any top US collegiate team! Actually he was asked to stay and continue training with the Greek national team, but turned down the offer to return to college. |
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