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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 8, 2013 17:42:25 GMT -5
it says a lot that you're agreeing with dedicatedfan ... just sayin' ... Can you come up with a better reason why Rubio would leave his 2nd best hitter home. Rubio said, according to CL's blog post, "it was not punishment, or anything she has done." We all know, Shoji was very, very, reluctant to give Jane Croson her release, so she could play this year. But after talking with Rubio, Shoji relented and gave Jane Croson her release. i don't know the reason. but at least i'm not going around making sh*t up...
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Post by karrietfan on Sept 8, 2013 18:55:30 GMT -5
Reading all of these guesses on what and why, FWIW what ever way you want to believe or take it. Shoji gave Croson a release because she completed the tasks at Arizona that Shoji previously outlined at UH. When she was at UH this past Spring she started the tasks but did not follow through and complete it. There was no conditions or agreement for the release between Shoji and Rubio. It was strictly Rubio's decision alone. How do I know all these facts, because I KNOW.
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Post by StuffU on Sept 8, 2013 19:00:34 GMT -5
Reading all of these guesses on what and why, FWIW what ever way you want to believe or take it. Shoji gave Croson a release because she completed the tasks at Arizona that Shoji previously outlined at UH. When she was at UH this past Spring she started the tasks but did not follow through and complete it. There was no conditions or agreement for the release between Shoji and Rubio. It was strictly Rubio's decision alone. How do I know all these facts, because I KNOW. Exactly as has been reported all along. I don't understand the need for Hawaii posters to find some evil subplot. Just enjoy the volleyball, then go out and enjoy life.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Sept 8, 2013 19:27:59 GMT -5
Well, if the anonymous opinion is expressed in all capital letters, then color me convinced.
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Post by dd2000 on Sept 8, 2013 21:02:20 GMT -5
There are two things dedicated fans don't do. The first, is that they do not refer to themselves as dedicatedfan/fans. The second, is that they do not act like they know something, when in fact they do not.
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Post by dd2000 on Sept 8, 2013 21:08:15 GMT -5
Can you come up with a better reason why Rubio would leave his 2nd best hitter home. Rubio said, according to CL's blog post, "it was not punishment, or anything she has done." We all know, Shoji was very, very, reluctant to give Jane Croson her release, so she could play this year. But after talking with Rubio, Shoji relented and gave Jane Croson her release. There are lots of other reasons... With her not traveling, it'll reduce any distractions it may have brought. Not saying that there would be distractions, but her not being there, will eliminate any potential distractions. These distractions could include: negative reactions by the Hawaii fans, JC wanting to meet up with old friends, JC being uncomfortable in the SSC. Who knows. The coach made his decision. Can we give Dave Shoji some credit, that he wouldn't ask Rubio to do that? I'm sure Dave Shoji would rather beat a full Arizona squad and not a watered down lineup. Exactly. If I had to postulate a guess, the first thing I would do, would be to give Shoji more credit than some here are giving him. Second, I would think it more likely that Rubio made the call out of deep respect for Coach Shoji, the Wahine volleyball program, and the great fans at the SSC. If that were ruled out the next most likely scenario is that Croson does not want to return for the reasons you out lined, and Coach Rubio is allowing her to save face by not going into any details.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Sept 12, 2013 18:58:48 GMT -5
Reading all of these guesses on what and why, FWIW what ever way you want to believe or take it. Shoji gave Croson a release because she completed the tasks at Arizona that Shoji previously outlined at UH. When she was at UH this past Spring she started the tasks but did not follow through and complete it. There was no conditions or agreement for the release between Shoji and Rubio. It was strictly Rubio's decision alone. How do I know all these facts, because I KNOW. Exactly as has been reported all along. I don't understand the need for Hawaii posters to find some evil subplot. Just enjoy the volleyball, then go out and enjoy life. Despite the poster KNOWING in all caps, he is wrong. Shoji made it a condition (as reported in a new thread): azstarnet.com/sports/college/wildcats/ua-volleyball-hawaii-transfer-croson-will-stay-home-as-new/article_1cb26698-55a1-5325-9d38-6cb733b3ccf2.html
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Post by dedicatedfan on Sept 13, 2013 1:00:03 GMT -5
Can you come up with a better reason why Rubio would leave his 2nd best hitter home. Rubio said, according to CL's blog post, "it was not punishment, or anything she has done." We all know, Shoji was very, very, reluctant to give Jane Croson her release, so she could play this year. But after talking with Rubio, Shoji relented and gave Jane Croson her release. i don't know the reason. but at least i'm not going around making sh*t up... Cubicle, I guess you are the dummy now. News coming out of Arizona, is the same thing I have been saying. If you do not know what you are talking about, just shut up, ok.
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Post by dedicatedfan on Sept 13, 2013 1:01:57 GMT -5
There are two things dedicated fans don't do. The first, is that they do not refer to themselves as dedicatedfan/fans. The second, is that they do not act like they know something, when in fact they do not. Guess, I do know what I am talking about after all. Who looks really stupid now dd2000. dd must stand for dumb dumb.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 13, 2013 1:10:37 GMT -5
i don't know the reason. but at least i'm not going around making sh*t up... Cubicle, I guess you are the dummy now. News coming out of Arizona, is the same thing I have been saying. If you do not know what you are talking about, just shut up, ok. are you kidding me! you had absolutely no clue either! you were only saying what you believed, and not what you actually knew ... and i rightfully called you out on that. unless you're now saying you had inside info that you weren't revealing before. i've never at any time pretended to be in the know about this. you can't possibly be using these later news articles (which by the way don't actually attribute the statements about a "deal" being made to anyone) to justify your statement before. so which is it then -- where you guessing before without any first hand knowledge of the situation? ... or did you actually know before, but were just not telling us? ... in other words, were you being disingenuous then? or are you being disingenuous now?
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Post by haw2991 on Sept 13, 2013 3:02:58 GMT -5
Biggest "who cares" debate/argument I've seen in a while. At the end of the day, all Wahine fans should care about is the "W"; Croson at this point should be irrelevant......
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Post by dd2000 on Sept 13, 2013 4:29:15 GMT -5
There are two things dedicated fans don't do. The first, is that they do not refer to themselves as dedicatedfan/fans. The second, is that they do not act like they know something, when in fact they do not. Guess, I do know what I am talking about after all. Who looks really stupid now dd2000. dd must stand for dumb dumb. Dedicated fan, we know nothing more than we did two days ago. There are two articles out of Arizona that were posted to the other thread. Those articles contradict each other in regards to this point. Unless you/we hear from one of the coaches, this entire discussion is nothing more than useless speculation, so save the chest thumping for another discussion.
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Post by vlima10fan on Sept 13, 2013 4:49:06 GMT -5
Reading all of these guesses on what and why, FWIW what ever way you want to believe or take it. Shoji gave Croson a release because she completed the tasks at Arizona that Shoji previously outlined at UH. When she was at UH this past Spring she started the tasks but did not follow through and complete it. There was no conditions or agreement for the release between Shoji and Rubio. It was strictly Rubio's decision alone. How do I know all these facts, because I KNOW. I am neither siding with Karrietfan nor spikerthemovie. I just think the Arizona Daily Star article with which spikerthemovie provided us isn't good enough to prove any VT posters right or wrong. The following excerpt is from the Arizona Daily Star article written by Zack Rosenblatt:
"... Rainbow Wahine head coach Dave Shoji, who recently became the winningest coach in Division I women’s volleyball history, granted Croson’s release from Hawaii and waived the standard one-year sit-out period on the condition that she didn’t travel to Honolulu.
“We’ve known for a long time,” UA head coach Dave Rubio said. “We thought it was in the best interest of her not to travel, but the team will still do well. Losing someone of Jane’s quality is hard, but we’ll soldier on. It will be good for them to handle adversity that may come with that.”To me Zack Rosenblatt contradicts himself in these 2 paragraphs he wrote. First he claims Shoji gave Croson her release on the condition that she doesn't play in this upcoming tourney. And I call it a claim because Rosenblatt never follows up with any evidence to this allegation. What he does follow up with is a quote from Rubio saying "We thought it was in the best interest of her not to travel". Based on how Rosenblatt wrote the article, I'm assuming the "we" Rubio mentioned is Rubio and Shoji, which obviously means that Rubio was involved in this decision. And what I get from Rubio's own words is that it was a mutual agreement between these two coaches and not a condition made by one on to the other. One thing I would like to know is if any type of NCAA documents (dealing with Croson's release) are open to the media to see. IF it isn't, then how does Rosenblatt know what the conditions were for Croson's release or how it all came to be (i.e. how the discussions went between the 2 coaches and all those who were involved)? I know there are ways for reporters to get certain info that most people don't have access to, and that it is possible Rosenblatt knows the inside story. Unfortunately, he doesn't reveal any evidence that support his claim about Shoji, which doesn't make him or his article look too credible with regard to this issue. But that's just my opinion. With all that said, I wish Croson were here with her new team mates to play against the Na Wahine. Even if she no longer is a UH wahine, I'm still a fan of hers... would've liked to have seen her 1 more time. Hope she's happy at Arizona and finds fun in volleyball again.
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Post by dedicatedfan on Sept 20, 2013 0:17:12 GMT -5
Cubicle, I guess you are the dummy now. News coming out of Arizona, is the same thing I have been saying. If you do not know what you are talking about, just shut up, ok. are you kidding me! you had absolutely no clue either! you were only saying what you believed, and not what you actually knew ... and i rightfully called you out on that. unless you're now saying you had inside info that you weren't revealing before. i've never at any time pretended to be in the know about this. you can't possibly be using these later news articles (which by the way don't actually attribute the statements about a "deal" being made to anyone) to justify your statement before. so which is it then -- where you guessing before without any first hand knowledge of the situation? ... or did you actually know before, but were just not telling us? ... in other words, were you being disingenuous then? or are you being disingenuous now? I did know, it was not a guess. What to know more of how I knew, do your own digging, unless you are to lazy to.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 20, 2013 2:41:29 GMT -5
are you kidding me! you had absolutely no clue either! you were only saying what you believed, and not what you actually knew ... and i rightfully called you out on that. unless you're now saying you had inside info that you weren't revealing before. i've never at any time pretended to be in the know about this. you can't possibly be using these later news articles (which by the way don't actually attribute the statements about a "deal" being made to anyone) to justify your statement before. so which is it then -- where you guessing before without any first hand knowledge of the situation? ... or did you actually know before, but were just not telling us? ... in other words, were you being disingenuous then? or are you being disingenuous now? I did know, it was not a guess. What to know more of how I knew, do your own digging, unless you are to lazy to. so now you're saying that you knew all along, even though that's not what you said? I am starting to believe that it was an agreement between the 2 Head Coaches, Shoji and Rubio. That for Jane Croson to be eligible, and get her release, to play this season, she would not be able to make the trip to Hawaii. there's absolutely nothing in your statement to suggest that you were in the know ... so much double-speak from you, as always.
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