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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 18, 2013 14:31:09 GMT -5
They just got a commitment from Junior setter Jade Tingelhof this afternoon, the setter on Northern Lights 16-1s. She has good size and athleticism. Nice get for them. Slightly off topic, but is she related to all-time Viking great Mick Tingelhoff?
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Post by ptosh on Oct 19, 2013 0:50:51 GMT -5
vball54, go ask your AD what the truth is - and while youre talking with him,ask him how pleased he is with his hiring decision.
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Post by ptosh on Oct 19, 2013 1:02:38 GMT -5
And based on their schedule, they will lose more matches this year. While this is the most sensible thing you wrote, you state the obvious. The only real question now is, will they win one?
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Post by gmuvolleyballfan on Oct 19, 2013 1:36:23 GMT -5
Well if they don't win a single game this year, does Alvey get canned for sure?
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Post by itsallrelative on Oct 19, 2013 7:23:04 GMT -5
Well if they don't win a single game this year, does Alvey get canned for sure? already won games this year...went 5 with Northern Kentucky, Memphis, USF, 4 with Duquesne......more importantly, Molly is still getting recruits to commit. she has at least another year.
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Post by permagrin on Oct 19, 2013 7:47:01 GMT -5
They just got a commitment from Junior setter Jade Tingelhof this afternoon, the setter on Northern Lights 16-1s. She has good size and athleticism. Nice get for them. Slightly off topic, but is she related to all-time Viking great Mick Tingelhoff? yes i think he is her grandpa
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Post by ESTRELLA on Oct 19, 2013 10:07:01 GMT -5
UC agreed to a change of coach. Reed was pushed out the door....now they need to live with the change!
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Post by ptosh on Oct 23, 2013 7:50:02 GMT -5
One of the big problems with not winning,is the loser mentality that sets in.The beatdown by Xavier in the 4th set last nite with the match on the line is example of that.Seems the only thing to change that mentality is to win a match- a crazy Catch22 situation.
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Post by vball54 on Oct 23, 2013 10:28:52 GMT -5
ptosh, the AD at Cincinnati is not my athletic director. If I had a direct line to him, I would ask what actually happened with the Reed situation. And would not make any comments on this site. As it appears many want to talk from speculation and not actual facts. It appears that you know more than you are willing to write in an open forum. I just like to see the truth and not hysteria because of a record. I became very bored with the comments on the Texas blog as those fans are extremly spoiled and are complaining about setters that 95% of the teams in the volleyball community would take in a heart beat. Texas wins one National Championship and now they are expected to do it every year. They even throw their National Championship setter under the bus. Just ridicolous.
This post peeked my interest and I like to read. I also like to deal in facts and do think it is very unfair to the present coach to clean up Reed's mess. And I am assuming that he created the mess. If someone knows otherwise, please speak up. It looks like what I read initially on this site was that he was accused of inappropriate behavior. Apparently, those comments were withdrawn as based on hearsay. I don't beleive from what I read that he was forced out. At least that is not the position he took in written statements for leaving. For those who think he was forced out, come out with the facts. I don't think you can.
If you know otherwise, please clear up the record. My research showed a very young team with no seniors who are playing hard. Does not look like Reed planned for the future and probably was going to have to start a big rebuilding process. It looks like he thought he could have his dream team and then the issues came up and he decided to leave. This is everything that I can surmize from the situation.
The new coach is rebuilding. losing to Louisville and Xavier is not a losing mentality. Those two teams are better teams. There is no shame in getting beat by better teams. Since you watched the match, did the girls from Cincinnati hustle and give effort? If they did then in reality that is all you can ask from them. If they did not then there is an issue. That issue should be addressed by the new coach. But as to creating the original mess, both the AD and Sunahara should answer for that. In a time of Penn State and other programs, if there was malfeisance it should come out and not be covered up. I would at least give the new coach a couple of more years to recruit her girls and see if she can coach with quality talent. Just my thought on the issue. By the way, I do agree that they are in a catch22 position. But geting beat by better teams in not a disgrace.
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Post by bangtheball on Oct 23, 2013 12:39:09 GMT -5
But as to creating the original mess, both the AD and Sunahara should answer for that. The AD has chosen not to tell the public what happened and Sunahara is certainly not going to say what happened. The many people that know what happened can't say anything because VolleyTalk won't let them speak because it's "heresay". The AD went looking for a new coach... in my opinion he was only looking for a female coach which limited his choices... and he picked Alvey, a coach with very little D1 experience. So it's simple... you go from a well oiled machine to a program that is still looking for the manual to put the parts together... and you get a 0-21 record. Maybe the AD picked the wrong coach. Maybe Alvey should have recruited more transfers with experience instead of trying to get "her team" up and running so quickly with freshman. No matter... the person to blame for the downfall of Cincinnati is Sunahara. He is the one who made the bad choices that led to his "resignation".
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Oct 23, 2013 12:56:19 GMT -5
I didn't realize that every team on their schedule is better than Cincinnati...
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Post by bkedane on Oct 23, 2013 13:09:09 GMT -5
But as to creating the original mess, both the AD and Sunahara should answer for that. The AD has chosen not to tell the public what happened and Sunahara is certainly not going to say what happened. The many people that know what happened can't say anything because VolleyTalk won't let them speak because it's "heresay". The AD went looking for a new coach... in my opinion he was only looking for a female coach which limited his choices... and he picked Alvey, a coach with very little D1 experience. So it's simple... you go from a well oiled machine to a program that is still looking for the manual to put the parts together... and you get a 0-21 record. Maybe the AD picked the wrong coach. Maybe Alvey should have recruited more transfers with experience instead of trying to get "her team" up and running so quickly with freshman. No matter... the person to blame for the downfall of Cincinnati is Sunahara. He is the one who made the bad choices that led to his "resignation". Hearsay? Volleytalk does not have a general prohibition against hearsay. From what I know about this situation, not very many of the people who think they know what happened know what happened.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 23, 2013 13:13:45 GMT -5
But as to creating the original mess, both the AD and Sunahara should answer for that. The AD has chosen not to tell the public what happened and Sunahara is certainly not going to say what happened. The many people that know what happened can't say anything because VolleyTalk won't let them speak because it's "heresay". The AD went looking for a new coach... in my opinion he was only looking for a female coach which limited his choices... and he picked Alvey, a coach with very little D1 experience. So it's simple... you go from a well oiled machine to a program that is still looking for the manual to put the parts together... and you get a 0-21 record. Maybe the AD picked the wrong coach. Maybe Alvey should have recruited more transfers with experience instead of trying to get "her team" up and running so quickly with freshman. No matter... the person to blame for the downfall of Cincinnati is Sunahara. He is the one who made the bad choices that led to his "resignation". Regardless of what did or didn't happen, to say Sunahara is to blame for this team being 0-21 is ridiculous. Its a program that has tradition, great recruiting base, and still had kids that could play. I think people keep forgetting, this isn't a team 6-15 that is struggling. This is a team that is 0-21 and totally non-competitive. That isn't on Reed.
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Post by vball54 on Oct 23, 2013 13:27:54 GMT -5
It always happens on these sites, now the comments have turned to complete stupidity. I guess the matches against Memphis, Southern Florida, Northern Kentucky and so on were not competitive. Just love people who have absolutely zeroe knowledge on an issue and then chime in with ignorance. Stupid is as stupid does or said another way, open your mouth and speak( write in this context) and we get to see the actual content. Wow, bright really bright.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 14:16:34 GMT -5
vball54, I think it's rather common that you will find all types of posters on VT. This is a silly thread, tame, but silly none the less. I happen to have a little more sympathy for the current coach because she's been put in a situation where it's difficult for her to win. If she were doing better, you know people would be extolling the coaching/recruiting of Reed and none of the credit to Molly. If Reed had stayed and had this season, we would be saying he had an off year. People just can't wrap their heads around the fact that the truth is somewhere in the middle, but it is wrong, and unfair to call for Molly's head at this juncture. i'm sure there is plenty of blame/credit to go around from the admin, coaches, players, and their parents. It's sad, but it happens, and at least I know a VT poster isn't going to hunt me down and beat me senseless because my opinion is different. That's the joy of VT. Threads like this.
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