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Post by johnbar on Dec 4, 2013 22:19:28 GMT -5
An NAIA school is not going to count toward the NCAA's requirement of 40 Div-1/2 schools. So, yes, unless collegesand.org is missing one, at least one more is needed. AVCA certainly shows plenty "considering" it.
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Post by PiG1 on Dec 4, 2013 22:22:40 GMT -5
When the heck is Jerritt/Erik going to jump on board the bandwagon?
Why they couldn't do it THIS 2014 spring, with all their ca$h fund$, is beyond me.
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Post by johnbar on Dec 4, 2013 22:25:49 GMT -5
I just haven't had time to sit down and put the extra info in. Does your list include every school which has listed sand vb on their Sports Sponsorship form? I saw this in a FAQ on the AVCA website: Q. How does my school add a team? A. Each summer NCAA institutions fill out a ‘Sports Sponsorship’ form indicating the sports they intend to sponsor at a varsity level in the subsequent school year. Sand Volleyball must be listed on that form as sports cannot be added to the list during the school year.
Not sure who has access to the info from these forms.
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Post by trollhunter on Dec 9, 2013 16:56:29 GMT -5
Some info I cross-posted to Indoor VB forum regarding D2 sand schools: A link to those considering it is here: www.avca.org/includes/media/docs/Institutions-Confirming-Considering-Sand-VB-10-16-13.pdfI know that the 4 Florida D2's listed there are very close to announcing. There is a sand VB meeting in January on West coast (at Irvine Valley College) to recruit Cali JuCo, NAIA and DII schools into the sand VB ranks. We should hear more after that.
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Post by ingoodstanding on Dec 21, 2013 15:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by shotcaller on Jan 3, 2014 22:38:05 GMT -5
I just saw TCU has added sand for starting in the Spring of 2015.
I think what we are going to see is all the BCS schools will add it as it becomes an 'arms race' for indoor, particularly with it being relatively unregulated by the NCAA as it gains recognition, indoor athletes being able to get 20hrs as a 'sand' player, when these practice hours don't even have to be in the sand or in limited numbers.
(this may well be a overly discussed point already, so please ignore if irrelevant)
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Post by mjnaleva on Jan 5, 2014 10:34:24 GMT -5
So, is it still looking like they'll be 1 short this season in setting the clock for official NCAA championships sport recognition? I sort of thought some more news might come out around or shortly after AVCA convention in Dec but perhaps it's still "holiday season" for most schools and not much in the way going on.
While not unexpected, it's disappointing to see indoor coaches inevitably trying to use the rules to their advantage by adding a sand team, mostly just on paper.
While the evolution of the sand programs in college has to start somewhere and progressing probably as quickly as anyone can realistically hope for I think it's a challenge for the long run if the sand competition season continues to be on average about 1-2 months long with maybe 3-4 competitions. After the initial exuberance of being involved in the sand program, I have to think those specifically playing sand at a school might lose some interest (perhaps this played a role in Summer Ross' decision even to simply go pro). With this current setup, it also does lend itself to being considered second-class to indoor with most schools using players to participate in both.
With tight budgets at most schools, I'm not sure how things will change where the scheduling fills up more to the point you have sand teams traveling around playing a schedule similar to what indoor teams typically do.
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Post by johnbar on Jan 5, 2014 21:09:27 GMT -5
While the evolution of the sand programs in college has to start somewhere and progressing probably as quickly as anyone can realistically hope for I think it's a challenge for the long run if the sand competition season continues to be on average about 1-2 months long with maybe 3-4 competitions. There is an NCAA minimum of 8 competition dates for sand vb, with at least 3 dual meets.
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Post by capita'L'ove on Jan 6, 2014 0:59:33 GMT -5
Some info I cross-posted to Indoor VB forum regarding D2 sand schools: A link to those considering it is here: www.avca.org/includes/media/docs/Institutions-Confirming-Considering-Sand-VB-10-16-13.pdfI know that the 4 Florida D2's listed there are very close to announcing. There is a sand VB meeting in January on West coast (at Irvine Valley College) to recruit Cali JuCo, NAIA and DII schools into the sand VB ranks. We should hear more after that. 40. Cal Baptist (Inland Empire) 41. Rice University, Houston? (Galveston Beach) 42. Cherniss' 'Coyotes', San Bernardino (Inland Empire) 43. UCSD (Triton's? Beach pick, San Diego) 44. Chaminade University (whose program goes STRICTLY 'sand'--Kabalis should do something "out of the box" as near last place in the PacWest, annually, has to be suckin' lemons!) ************ In answering the inquiries: SignatureM. Beckenhauer (UW xfer/Punahouan Coach, initially), J. Saleaumua (NLI signer/UH's Taeatafa led niece), Kaufman, Tiegs and Passi (Pearl City High School graduate)..and then somebody will say: "What about Bowen, if that's the case?" a. She xferred "In House"..Santa Barbara and UH have clashed in the Big West for minimally one year, historically. b. She represented Team Hawai'i (Honolulu) back in the mid-90s playing in the last of the VB Pac. Rim Tourneys..I'd presume Heather would definitely "claim" HI. a1. Tiegs' certificate goes to Florida State, absolutely; I don't for a second, however, doubt her loyalty to UH, currently. b1. Kaufman garnered 1st Team VBM All-American honors (da NCAA High Jump Champ) too boot.
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Post by mjnaleva on Jan 6, 2014 9:05:15 GMT -5
There is an NCAA minimum of 8 competition dates for sand vb, with at least 3 dual meets. True, but I'm sure most schools are knocking out 2-3 (maybe even more) competitions at a time as part of meets involving several schools at one time. It make sense from a budget/time perspective. But in the end it's still just a handful at best competition dates for the season. In talking to one sand recruit her least favorite aspect of everything was the limited amount of time actually competing in competitions. With head-to-heads consisting of match times typically around 45 minutes to maybe an hour tops, it's certainly a different scenario than playing in a day-long tournament. The situation improves when you've got several other schools meeting together at one time which seems to be the trend but going to my point before it seems like 2-3 of those types of events ends of being the bulk of a season schedule already. It'll improve with more schools. I notice a school like Pepperdine seems to have a much fuller schedule than some of the other eastern schools due in part I'm sure to proximity of a lot of other schools with programs.
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 6, 2014 12:31:32 GMT -5
There is an NCAA minimum of 8 competition dates for sand vb, with at least 3 dual meets. True, but I'm sure most schools are knocking out 2-3 (maybe even more) competitions at a time as part of meets involving several schools at one time. It make sense from a budget/time perspective. But in the end it's still just a handful at best competition dates for the season. In talking to one sand recruit her least favorite aspect of everything was the limited amount of time actually competing in competitions. With head-to-heads consisting of match times typically around 45 minutes to maybe an hour tops, it's certainly a different scenario than playing in a day-long tournament. The situation improves when you've got several other schools meeting together at one time which seems to be the trend but going to my point before it seems like 2-3 of those types of events ends of being the bulk of a season schedule already. Schools are NOT counting multiple competitions on the same day toward NCAA minimums. Some may have done so the first year because the legislation wording was unclear, but last year it was clarified and enforced. In fact, NCAA was not going to allow single dates with multiple events to count at all because of potential abuse. Fortunately, they found someone who could articulate the intent in clearer English, as below: b. NCAA Regulations – Kris Richardson, NCAA i. Bylaw 20.9.3.4.8 on Minimum scheduling requirements has been changed to allow additional competition in either team or pairs play to occur on the three days where heretofore only one dual match was allowed. Only one match may count toward the minimum number of contests, regardless of the amount of play on that day. This allows schools to play double-headers or tri-matches to make travel more cost effective. However, just one of the events that day counts towards NCAA minimums, making the rule effectively "dates of competition".
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 9, 2014 16:23:06 GMT -5
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 16, 2014 17:24:51 GMT -5
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Post by FOBRA on Jan 16, 2014 19:08:05 GMT -5
I think we're still at 39? But I just saw on Twitter that Cal announced... if that means Spring 2014, pretty sure that would be the magic 40. Edit to add link: Cal Adds SandLooks like Spring 2014.
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Post by Not Me on Jan 16, 2014 19:34:43 GMT -5
Avca tweeted this out:
@avcavolleyball: Yup! We need two seasons of 40 teams before it has an official #NCAA Championship! RT @urango: @avcavolleyball does that make 40?!?!?!
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