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Post by StanfordFan on Apr 22, 2003 11:00:19 GMT -5
A posting below made me wonder, if UC Irvine beats Pepp, but doesn't win the entire MPSF tournament, any chance to make it to Final Four? I don't think so, since in that case, the wild card probably goes to Pepperdine. Anyone else have thoughts?
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Post by Guest on Apr 22, 2003 11:22:27 GMT -5
What I am thinking is, UCI would have to win the MPSF championship in order to get to the final four, if they don't, they are out. IMO, Pepperdine is a shoe in already and probably the main reason why their match is scheduled to go first, whereas the BYU and Hawaii match is much more important for BOTH schools.
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Post by Reply on Apr 22, 2003 11:33:48 GMT -5
If UC Irvine beats Pepp then loses in the MPSF Final Pepp may get the at large. The complication lies in the fact that head to head they would be tied (UCI beat Pepp in their Jan. tourny then a win on Thur. would be two while Pepp beat UCI twice during the regular season).
What should be weighed is the fact that if UCI beats Pepp in the playoffs that would leave the head to head match record at even, but UCI wins when it really matters and could justify the at large.
Personally even if Team A loses both regular season matches to Team B then beats Team B in playoffs to go further, Team A should get the at large. If a team comes to play during playoffs more than another then Team B should not be rewarded.
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Post by Eater on Apr 22, 2003 12:32:16 GMT -5
Pep will get it. They always give it to team that was better during the regular season. See 1999 and an abysmal Long Beach playoff team getting the at large bid above teams who went farther and played better in the MPSF playoffs.
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Post by Going Further on Apr 22, 2003 13:03:48 GMT -5
Agreed on the 1999 situation, yet there was not a head to head situation. Now if one could argue that the regular season is weighted more than a tourny win in January, another could argue that an MPSF playoff win is weighted more than a regular season win. The question is how much do you rate each of the three: Jan. tourny, regular season, MPSF playoff?
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Post by Psychopotamus on Apr 23, 2003 9:41:58 GMT -5
I think a case can be made for all teams left. What if, for example, UCI goes down in 3 close games and UH and BYU both get killed? I think the trick right now is to not lose and get the automatic. Anything short of that, who knows. Even Pepperdine doesn't have a guarenteed bid. If they go down in 3 straight, they could get left out.
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Post by KnowingVB on Apr 23, 2003 14:45:55 GMT -5
Here is the almighty answer to this predicament. If UCI beats Pepperdine, which I'm sure won't happen, then Pepperdine will get the at large birth simply for the fact that they have been #1 in the AVCA poll for the ENTIRE year. Enough said. If Pepperdine wins that match then they are in the Final Four for sure with a win or loss in the finals of the MPSF tournament.
The harder question to answer is what happens with the BYU and Hawaii match. IMO the winner of this match goes to the Final Four, it is that simple. The winner would be the season victor of the head to head and would have won a match that has the most importance. Again, these two teams have been ranked #2 and #3 for the ENTIRE season.
And finally, I would like to congratulate the MIVA and EIVA teams, especially Penn St. for winning their first round matches. What a joke!!! Playing matches like these sure makes me want to vote for them to be in the top 5, no wonder they make the final four every year, they have to play teams like UC Santa Cruz to get there.
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Post by Anonymous Beachman on Apr 23, 2003 17:11:26 GMT -5
THEY WON'T!
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Post by Psychopotamus on Apr 23, 2003 17:30:21 GMT -5
Lets keep this here, just in case. |
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Post by Eater on Apr 23, 2003 19:29:58 GMT -5
Here is the almighty answer to this predicament. If UCI beats Pepperdine, which I'm sure won't happen, then Pepperdine will get the at large birth simply for the fact that they have been #1 in the AVCA poll for the ENTIRE year. Enough said. If Pepperdine wins that match then they are in the Final Four for sure with a win or loss in the finals of the MPSF tournament. The harder question to answer is what happens with the BYU and Hawaii match. IMO the winner of this match goes to the Final Four, it is that simple. The winner would be the season victor of the head to head and would have won a match that has the most importance. Again, these two teams have been ranked #2 and #3 for the ENTIRE season. And finally, I would like to congratulate the MIVA and EIVA teams, especially Penn St. for winning their first round matches. What a joke!!! Playing matches like these sure makes me want to vote for them to be in the top 5, no wonder they make the final four every year, they have to play teams like UC Santa Cruz to get there. Considering your choice of user name, I find it strange that you didn't know that Pepperdine has not been at #1 all season. Pep will get the at large bid if they lose though, there is no doubt. Don't forget, the committee will be very concerned with what teams will draw a crowd and make more money. Pepperdine will draw a larger crowd and make more money than a final four with UCI. |
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Post by Real Eater on Apr 24, 2003 10:04:54 GMT -5
Eater don't sell out the UCI following compared to what has been dismal crowds at Pepp games all year. And it doesn't matter which school is in except for Hawaii's following because the final 4 is in So Cal. The place will be packed anyway.
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Post by vb12 on Apr 24, 2003 11:49:28 GMT -5
Eater,
I'm assuming that you haven't been to any of UCI's matches this year because their fan base is solid and the matches have been first come first serve (pardon the pun). To say that Pep would draw a larger crowd you're insane.
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Post by Eater on Apr 24, 2003 12:15:39 GMT -5
Eater, I'm assuming that you haven't been to any of UCI's matches this year because their fan base is solid and the matches have been first come first serve (pardon the pun). To say that Pep would draw a larger crowd you're insane. The matches have been sell outs because the gym only holds 700 people. That's not a big crowd. Besides which, UCI hasn't sold out a game in several weeks. And no one outside of UCI cares about the team. Pepperdine will draw more fans who aren't associated with the schools playing. The Irvine student body MIGHT care, but its hard to tell. They were all over the team when they were #1, but as soon as they lost one game, the school dropped them. Irvine fans only like you when you're on top. Maybe they'll come for a playoff match, maybe they've already given up on the team. Let's see what the fan ratio is at tonight's game. I'm betting its going to be very unbalanced. And I also had to had, Irvine fans often get outnumbered at their own gym by visiting team fans. |
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Post by Real Eater on Apr 24, 2003 12:22:57 GMT -5
By the way Eater it is fairly obvious you are a fan of another team and you're trying to post as a UCI fan to make it appear that someone representing our own name doubts our strength. "A" for effort on the mind game but sell crazy some place else, were all stocked up here.
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Post by Eater on Apr 24, 2003 12:26:27 GMT -5
Attendance at last 5 home games(last is first).
Pep______UCI
2500_____600
1500_____600
1800_____680
600______620
535______700
You guys might want to check the facts before you go making statements like that.
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