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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 26, 2013 4:34:35 GMT -5
Why is everyone assuming that UDub will run a 6-2 next year? Seems to me that it makes more sense to go with a 5-1 with Beals setting and Nelson playing RS (and being subbed for a DS in the back row). Beals certainly has the height to be an effective front-row setter. When you've got eight outside hitters on the roster, it is pretty clear the plan isn't to play a 5-1: Vansant Nelson Strickland Tanner DeHoog Scambray Schwan Jones Tanner will set in the back row and hit in the front row. |
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Post by chisovnik on Dec 26, 2013 8:38:11 GMT -5
Why is everyone assuming that UDub will run a 6-2 next year? Seems to me that it makes more sense to go with a 5-1 with Beals setting and Nelson playing RS (and being subbed for a DS in the back row). Beals certainly has the height to be an effective front-row setter. When you've got eight outside hitters on the roster, it is pretty clear the plan isn't to play a 5-1: Vansant Nelson Strickland Tanner DeHoog Scambray Schwan Jones Tanner will set in the back row and hit in the front row. That's SO wrong. Just because you have 8 pin hitters doesn't mean all of them have to play. And for the record, Strickland is going to be their libero and Jones is a middle, so that means they have 6 pin hitters. |
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Post by Sbilo on Dec 26, 2013 9:11:46 GMT -5
No, Scambray will take her spot. Scambray hits really hard, but has a low contact point and it's difficult to be a successful hitter in the PAC 12 like that. I still say Strickland stays at outside. I agree with this but ultimately Scambray will take that OH2 spot moving Strickland to the libero position. I have seen Scambray quite a few times before and she is good but not Vansant good. I probably would compare her like Sara Shaw (USC). She is your perfect OH2. And yes I noticed that low contact point too.. JMac's gonna fix that. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 26, 2013 12:27:26 GMT -5
When you've got eight outside hitters on the roster, it is pretty clear the plan isn't to play a 5-1: Vansant Nelson Strickland Tanner DeHoog Scambray Schwan Jones Tanner will set in the back row and hit in the front row. That's SO wrong. Just because you have 8 pin hitters doesn't mean all of them have to play. And for the record, Strickland is going to be their libero and Jones is a middle, so that means they have 6 pin hitters. Jones is a MB/OH. She played her senior year in HS as an OH. She can play any of the three front row positions. Strickland was recruited as an OH/L - that's how she was first listed on UW's roster. It isn't a cinch that she won't stay at OH2. It is pretty clear that the plan has been for Tanner to set back row and hit front row all along. When two AVCA All-Americans and six top-20 senior aces (two top-10) will be on the roster, the plan is not to park half of them on the bench, although one or two might redshirt. How many DS/Ls do you see on Penn State's roster? Eight. How many on UW's? Three, and one just graduated. One might be coming (Meyer-Whalley), but we won't know until next fall, since she didn't sign an NLI (although my money is on her stepping in at libero, if Strickland stays at OH2). JMac has always said that going to a 5-1 is always possible, if one of the setters is definitively better, but I suspect that is more about creating competition between the setters - in only one season out of the last five has UW not played a 6-2 for at least part of the season. |
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Post by Huskyfan on Dec 26, 2013 12:59:37 GMT -5
That's SO wrong. Just because you have 8 pin hitters doesn't mean all of them have to play. And for the record, Strickland is going to be their libero and Jones is a middle, so that means they have 6 pin hitters. Jones is a MB/OH. She played her senior year in HS as an OH. She can play any of the three front row positions. Jones was an OH her senior year out of necessity (the team needed her). While she can play all three front row positions, she is a true middle and will most likely be a middle at UW (unless UW needs more OH, which is unlikely, considering they have an abundance of OHs). Lauren Barfield also played OH her senior year at Newport HS but was exclusively a middle in college |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 26, 2013 13:22:07 GMT -5
Jones is a MB/OH. She played her senior year in HS as an OH. She can play any of the three front row positions. Jones was an OH her senior year out of necessity (the team needed her). While she can play all three front row positions, she is a true middle and will most likely be a middle at UW (unless UW needs more OH, which is unlikely, considering they have an abundance of OHs). Lauren Barfield also played OH her senior year at Newport HS but was exclusively a middle in college She'll play somewhere, but not neccessarily at MB, with Sybeldon and Wade likely ensconced at MB for the next two seasons. A redshirt season is possible. The point remains, however, that UW's roster has clearly been built with playing a 6-2 in mind. You need a minimum of five outside hitters to play a 6-2, including one reserve/sub in case of injury. You need only four to play a 5-1. That doesn't mean they won't play a 5-1, but I think the odds are stacked against it. See: www.presstelegram.com/sports/20131121/los-alamitos-standout-crissy-jones-helps-team-to-brink-of-a-championshipSee: www.gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30200&ATCLID=209317384 |
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Post by Stanlifornia on Dec 26, 2013 13:30:56 GMT -5
Washington was very fortunate in having a Middle-injury free season, but I'd imagine that Jones won't be redshirting as an insurance policy should Wade or Sybeldon go down.
Haven't seen a lot of Jones, but is she a threat at all to supplant one of the incumbents at MB?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 26, 2013 13:37:18 GMT -5
Washington was very fortunate in having a Middle-injury free season, but I'd imagine that Jones won't be redshirting as an insurance policy should Wade or Sybeldon go down. Haven't seen a lot of Jones, but is she a threat at all to supplant one of the incumbents at MB? Tanner playing OPP/S frees up subs that could allow playing time for an extra hitter, in the middle and/or on the outside, or for a DS in the back row. |
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Post by GoUCLA on Dec 26, 2013 14:35:17 GMT -5
Washington was very fortunate in having a Middle-injury free season, but I'd imagine that Jones won't be redshirting as an insurance policy should Wade or Sybeldon go down. Haven't seen a lot of Jones, but is she a threat at all to supplant one of the incumbents at MB? I think Jones can be a threat. I think she's a little more athletic than Wade and Sybeldon and she will bring more offense. I'll be interested to see how well she blocks. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 26, 2013 15:16:51 GMT -5
Washington was very fortunate in having a Middle-injury free season, but I'd imagine that Jones won't be redshirting as an insurance policy should Wade or Sybeldon go down. Haven't seen a lot of Jones, but is she a threat at all to supplant one of the incumbents at MB? I think Jones can be a threat. I think she's a little more athletic than Wade and Sybeldon and she will bring more offense. I'll be interested to see how well she blocks. She'll probably come in at 6'2", since players at UW tend to shrink an inch from their reported HS/club heights. That'll be two inches short of Wade, at 6'4" (listed at 6'5" in high school). She'll need to beat out Wade in blocking, who is on the front row with Vansant for two rotations, and thus gets fewer sets on offense. I don't see her providing more offense than Sybeldon, at least not as a freshman. |
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Post by isaacspaceman on Dec 26, 2013 16:04:30 GMT -5
Tanner as a combo S-RS would create lineup flexibility. The problem is that we don't know yet whether she's better at one than the other, or whether she's better than other people on the team at either. That's not a knock on her--we just haven't seen her. I don't think anybody other than Jim can pencil her in anywhere just yet.
To me, it seems like the team has an unusual number of Big Decisions for a team that returns its top four offensive options and a starting setter. To wit: (1) 5-1 or 6-2? (2) If 6-2, who is the second setter? (3) Where does Strickland help the team the most? (4) How do you get all of that talent into the lineup?
I think Jim's style is not to worry about the last question that much. Some good players have ended up on the bench or with reduced roles when other players beat them out. Having too many good players is a high-class problem.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 26, 2013 16:09:07 GMT -5
FWIW (which is probably very little), the only time I can remember seeing Tanner on the court was during the open practice for the final four. She seemed to be participating as a hitter, not as a setter.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 26, 2013 17:06:06 GMT -5
Tanner as a combo S-RS would create lineup flexibility. The problem is that we don't know yet whether she's better at one than the other, or whether she's better than other people on the team at either. That's not a knock on her--we just haven't seen her. I don't think anybody other than Jim can pencil her in anywhere just yet. Quite true, but the only other alternative as the second setter in a 6-2 is Finau. We also haven't seen Beals set front row in a 5-1 at UW. Tanner is listed on UW's roster as an OH/S (OH includes both LS and RS). |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 26, 2013 17:18:07 GMT -5
We also haven't seen Beals set front row in a 5-1 at UW. She has set a few points here and there when they ran out of subs. Also, they played a match early last year where Nogueras played a set in 5-1, Beals played a set in 5-1, and they played in 6-2. They won all three sets. (Boise State. Aug 24, 2012) |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 26, 2013 19:46:46 GMT -5
We also haven't seen Beals set front row in a 5-1 at UW. She has set a few points here and there when they ran out of subs. Also, they played a match early last year where Nogueras played a set in 5-1, Beals played a set in 5-1, and they played in 6-2. They won all three sets. (Boise State. Aug 24, 2012) Well we haven't seen her set a full match in a 5-1. Could she effectively set six rotations in a five-set marathon, such as USC this year, Oregon last year? We don't know. |
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