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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 18:14:44 GMT -5
Geezieweezie. You guys complain about the complicated answer and then complain about the simple answer. Seems like he explained himself. Top 5 elite? No. Top 10 elite? Yes. You need to define what you mean by elite. Regardless, to act like Minnesota doesn't have one of the best volleyball programs in America means you haven't been paying attention. We all want more. But that doesn't take away from what they've given us. Yup...They have GIVEN US 1 Big 10 Conference ship'. Top 20 program and not elite... Name 10 programs better than Minnesota. I'm waiting. Minnesota is a top ten program. If that isn't elite, then the word has no meaning. Is it the best program? Nope. But that's a different definition. Define what you mean by elite and then we can have a more worthwhile discussion, but I think the OP tried to do that.
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Post by badgerbill on Aug 19, 2014 18:31:29 GMT -5
I am not feeling the McCutcheon effect, especially on the recruiting front.
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Post by alpacaone on Aug 19, 2014 20:14:39 GMT -5
Not all together accurate I'm sure, but it is close: during the last 3 years MN is 3-1 Texas, 0-7 against PSU, 1-5 Neb, 0-2? Stanford, 0-1 USC?, 0-1 Florida was there a Washing loss? maybe someone can fix this list and add to it. 4-20 against the 1st group of top programs; pretty much everyones fate against those programs.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 19, 2014 20:33:21 GMT -5
Yup...They have GIVEN US 1 Big 10 Conference ship'. Top 20 program and not elite... Name 10 programs better than Minnesota. I'm waiting. Minnesota is a top ten program. If that isn't elite, then the word has no meaning. Is it the best program? Nope. But that's a different definition. Define what you mean by elite and then we can have a more worthwhile discussion, but I think the OP tried to do that. All-time or current? All-time they're not. Minnesota might be top 10 current. I think PSU, Nebraska, Texas, Washington, Stanford, and USC, are clearly better programs currently. Therefore Minnesota would have to argue getting one of those last 4 slots.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 19, 2014 20:33:55 GMT -5
Nm
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 19, 2014 20:39:41 GMT -5
Name 10 programs better than Minnesota. I'm waiting. Minnesota is a top ten program. If that isn't elite, then the word has no meaning. Is it the best program? Nope. But that's a different definition. Define what you mean by elite and then we can have a more worthwhile discussion, but I think the OP tried to do that. All-time or current? All-time they're not. Minnesota might be top 10 current. I think PSU, Nebraska, Texas, Washington, Stanford, and USC, are clearly better programs currently. Therefore Minnesota would have to argue getting one of those last 4 slots. Florida would be a current one, other nominee's would be Minnesota, Hawaii. too many others have been in and out. I think you may see Wisconsin and Purdue move into that category pretty soon. UCLA simply cant make up its mind whether or not they are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 20:41:13 GMT -5
Last decade, maybe a little longer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 20:51:01 GMT -5
Not all together accurate I'm sure, but it is close: during the last 3 years MN is 3-1 Texas, 0-7 against PSU, 1-5 Neb, 0-2? Stanford, 0-1 USC?, 0-1 Florida was there a Washing loss? maybe someone can fix this list and add to it. 4-20 against the 1st group of top programs; pretty much everyones fate against those programs. Those records are wrong. They beat Washington the last time they faced them. They haven't lost to Florida in a while. They did lose to USC the last meeting, but won the two previous. Good luck finding the info, however. I'm going by memory. U of M website is worthless and Kern's site is transitioning information.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Aug 19, 2014 21:53:46 GMT -5
Not all together accurate I'm sure, but it is close: during the last 3 years MN is 3-1 Texas, 0-7 against PSU, 1-5 Neb, 0-2? Stanford, 0-1 USC?, 0-1 Florida was there a Washing loss? maybe someone can fix this list and add to it. 4-20 against the 1st group of top programs; pretty much everyones fate against those programs. Those records are wrong. They beat Washington the last time they faced them. They haven't lost to Florida in a while. They did lose to USC the last meeting, but won the two previous. Good luck finding the info, however. I'm going by memory. U of M website is worthless and Kern's site is transitioning information. It's maybe unwieldy but I don't think the site is worthless. It's not so hard to use the F11 function to search the news page -- which, assuming it's complete, reveals that Minnesota has beaten Florida the last two times they played (2004 and 2006) and lost the time before that (in 2003).
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Post by jasonr on Aug 19, 2014 22:44:34 GMT -5
All-time or current? All-time they're not. Minnesota might be top 10 current. I think PSU, Nebraska, Texas, Washington, Stanford, and USC, are clearly better programs currently. Therefore Minnesota would have to argue getting one of those last 4 slots. Florida would be a current one, other nominee's would be Minnesota, Hawaii. too many others have been in and out. I think you may see Wisconsin and Purdue move into that category pretty soon. UCLA simply cant make up its mind whether or not they are. That seems about right. If Wisconsin hadn't had those last few years under Waite, they'd be in the top 10 solidly right now. UCLA should be, but whatever is going on with them is an enigma. I think if we define current as last 5 years and going forward, then maybe Oregon starts to creep into the picture. They have a title and have been very competitive recently.
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Post by Xplaya on Aug 19, 2014 22:50:32 GMT -5
Florida would be a current one, other nominee's would be Minnesota, Hawaii. too many others have been in and out. I think you may see Wisconsin and Purdue move into that category pretty soon. UCLA simply cant make up its mind whether or not they are. That seems about right. If Wisconsin hadn't had those last few years under Waite, they'd be in the top 10 solidly right now. UCLA should be, but whatever is going on with them is an enigma. I think if we define current as last 5 years and going forward, then maybe Oregon starts to creep into the picture. They have a title and have been very competitive recently. Ummm, Oregon does not have a title...
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Post by jasonr on Aug 19, 2014 22:51:33 GMT -5
That seems about right. If Wisconsin hadn't had those last few years under Waite, they'd be in the top 10 solidly right now. UCLA should be, but whatever is going on with them is an enigma. I think if we define current as last 5 years and going forward, then maybe Oregon starts to creep into the picture. They have a title and have been very competitive recently. Ummm, Oregon does not have a title... Excuse me, played for...
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Post by mplssetter on Aug 20, 2014 16:53:31 GMT -5
Also, I am really looking forward to the upcoming scrimmage for the Gophers as well. It will be great to get a glimpse as to how things might unfold and how all of the new players actually play together. You can bet that I will be posting a report on here when the time comes! Sorry if I missed it, but when is the scrimmage?
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Post by mplssetter on Aug 20, 2014 16:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 20, 2014 18:05:57 GMT -5
Geezieweezie. You guys complain about the complicated answer and then complain about the simple answer. Seems like he explained himself. Top 5 elite? No. Top 10 elite? Yes. You need to define what you mean by elite. Regardless, to act like Minnesota doesn't have one of the best volleyball programs in America means you haven't been paying attention. We all want more. But that doesn't take away from what they've given us. Yup...They have GIVEN US 1 Big 10 Conference ship'. Top 20 program and not elite... From Rich Kern, appearances in the final poll: Nebraska 30 Stanford 30 Hawaii 29 UCLA 28 USC 28 Penn State 27 Texas 26 BYU 21 Florida 21 Pacific 20 UCSB 20 Long Beach State 18 North Dakota State 18 Ohio State 18 Arizona 17 Colorado State 15 CSU Bakersfield 15 Illinois 15 Nebraska-Omaha 15 Pepperdine 15 Washington 14 California 13 Northern Colorado 13 UC Riverside 13 Wisconsin 13 Kansas State 12 Texas A&M 12 Minnesota 11 San Diego 11 Cal Poly 10 Portland State 10 Purdue 10 Arizona State 9 Northern Iowa 9 Another way to compare might be to compile a top 5 all time player list, or maybe top 5 by decade, and compare lists. But Minnesota would seem to be a solid top 20 program, perhaps marginally top 10. Elite, maybe not quite. Edit: I didn't sort out placement on the by Division, so that would alter the exact ranking on the list no doubt.
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