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Post by jsn112 on Jul 31, 2014 11:55:33 GMT -5
Do you disagree that her hitters often carried her? That she was okay, but didn't elevate the play of her team? I absolutely disagree. You don't win a national championship with an "okay" setter.
What's your excuse / rationale for Moriarty and Kocher not getting it done?
We know Kocher had an overall better cast than Allison. How many national championships would Moriarty and Allison have won with that ensemble of players?I think you're not considering who Kocher's opponents at that time were: Penn State and Stanford. That Penn State era was exceptional and "might" not ever be repeated again; and Stanford was good to go to the finals three years in a row. Those are important factors. No way Allison would have won a NT with that Texas cast against those teams. No way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:16:20 GMT -5
Do you disagree that her hitters often carried her? That she was okay, but didn't elevate the play of her team? I absolutely disagree. You don't win a national championship with an "okay" setter.
What's your excuse / rationale for Moriarty and Kocher not getting it done?
We know Kocher had an overall better cast than Allison. How many national championships would Moriarty and Allison have won with that ensemble of players?Why are you yelling?
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 31, 2014 12:59:16 GMT -5
Let's see,
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter not name Allison couldn't win a national championship.
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter named Allison wins a national championship.
I think that about covers it.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 31, 2014 13:09:26 GMT -5
Let's see,
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter not name Allison couldn't win a national championship.
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter named Allison wins a national championship.
I think that about covers it.
Not really true. I have nothing personally vested in TX VB. I have trained setters. I watch many matches. I played setter. I do not think Hannah is upper-echelon setter. Serviceable, but not good to great. In fact, I think she's not deserved of her accolades in the Big 12. My opinion. Justify it however you want, but to me, it's about skill. How she placed the ball...ability to run MH...bettering the ball...basic ball-handling skills (how many doubles are okay a match!?!). Since the 4 in a row years at PSU, I think TX hitters have been physically superior when compared to other programs, including PSU. TX was pretty damn athletic and physically gifted before that timeframe as well. I think, given a better setter (and passing last year), TX would have won many more championships given the front row talent they had.
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 31, 2014 13:16:09 GMT -5
Let's see,
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter not name Allison couldn't win a national championship.
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter named Allison wins a national championship.
I think that about covers it.
Not really true. I have nothing personally vested in TX VB. I have trained setters. I watch many matches. I played setter. I do not think Hannah is upper-echelon setter. Serviceable, but not good to great. In fact, I think she's not deserved of her accolades in the Big 12. My opinion. Justify it however you want, but to me, it's about skill. How she placed the ball...ability to run MH...bettering the ball...basic ball-handling skills (how many doubles are okay a match!?!). Since the 4 in a row years at PSU, I think TX hitters have been physically superior when compared to other programs, including PSU. TX was pretty damn athletic and physically gifted before that timeframe as well. I think, given a better setter (and passing last year), TX would have won many more championships given the front row talent they had. Thinking Texas won a national championship with a serviceable setter is excuses and rationalizing.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 31, 2014 13:34:28 GMT -5
Not really true. I have nothing personally vested in TX VB. I have trained setters. I watch many matches. I played setter. I do not think Hannah is upper-echelon setter. Serviceable, but not good to great. In fact, I think she's not deserved of her accolades in the Big 12. My opinion. Justify it however you want, but to me, it's about skill. How she placed the ball...ability to run MH...bettering the ball...basic ball-handling skills (how many doubles are okay a match!?!). Since the 4 in a row years at PSU, I think TX hitters have been physically superior when compared to other programs, including PSU. TX was pretty damn athletic and physically gifted before that timeframe as well. I think, given a better setter (and passing last year), TX would have won many more championships given the front row talent they had. Thinking Texas won a national championship with a serviceable setter is excuses and rationalizing.
You don't think Kristin Carpenter was just serviceable? FYI, she won a championship at PSU a few years back. Look her up. If that's what you think, cool. I still disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 13:58:47 GMT -5
Let's see,
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter not name Allison couldn't win a national championship.
Excuses and rationalizing when a setter named Allison wins a national championship.
I think that about covers it.
Not really true. I have nothing personally vested in TX VB. I have trained setters. I watch many matches. I played setter. I do not think Hannah is upper-echelon setter. Serviceable, but not good to great. In fact, I think she's not deserved of her accolades in the Big 12. My opinion. Justify it however you want, but to me, it's about skill. How she placed the ball...ability to run MH...bettering the ball...basic ball-handling skills (how many doubles are okay a match!?!). Since the 4 in a row years at PSU, I think TX hitters have been physically superior when compared to other programs, including PSU. TX was pretty damn athletic and physically gifted before that timeframe as well. I think, given a better setter (and passing last year), TX would have won many more championships given the front row talent they had. No one said she was "upper echelon," but she's also certainly not as bad as you make her out to be either. Allison was never the reason Texas didn't win more championships. You can attribute that more to passing, floor defense, the offense in general, discipline, and JERRITT, but not Hannah Allison.
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Post by treesandwaves on Jul 31, 2014 13:59:35 GMT -5
she was just serviceable...but her supporting cast definitely was not.
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Post by treesandwaves on Jul 31, 2014 14:00:30 GMT -5
and that's further proven by the fact that she was benched when micah came around
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:04:16 GMT -5
and that's further proven by the fact that she was benched when micah came around She wasn't benched. She was moved to a different position to fill a more pressing need. That ended up not working out, however.
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Post by treesandwaves on Jul 31, 2014 14:05:21 GMT -5
and that's further proven by the fact that she was benched when micah came around She wasn't benched. She was moved to a different position to fill a more pressing need. That ended up not working out, however. point being, if she were more than serviceable, she wouldnt have been moved.....
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Post by southie on Jul 31, 2014 15:12:38 GMT -5
Who was the setter in the 2008 class who committed (and then de-committed) to Texas prior to Michelle Kocher coming on board?
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jul 31, 2014 15:13:28 GMT -5
Who was the setter in the 2008 class who committed (and then de-committed) to Texas prior to Michelle Kocher coming on board? If I remember correctly she was foreign, wasn't she?
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Post by elevationvb on Jul 31, 2014 15:17:48 GMT -5
Thinking Texas won a national championship with a serviceable setter is excuses and rationalizing.
You don't think Kristin Carpenter was just serviceable? FYI, she won a championship at PSU a few years back. Look her up. If that's what you think, cool. I still disagree. Really, that's what you are going with?
Carpenter didn't set the next season - - move to DS or libero and hardly played her senior year.
She was a great competitor, but a lousy example for you to use in this situation.
To describe Allison as serviceable is laughable.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 31, 2014 15:52:12 GMT -5
You don't think Kristin Carpenter was just serviceable? FYI, she won a championship at PSU a few years back. Look her up. If that's what you think, cool. I still disagree. Really, that's what you are going with?
Carpenter didn't set the next season - - move to DS or libero and hardly played her senior year.
She was a great competitor, but a lousy example for you to use in this situation.
To describe Allison as serviceable is laughable.What I am saying, and it's clear I need to be very explicit with you, is that a team with superior talent can win a championship with a serviceable setter. Kristin was not a great setter. She won a championship. I believe if she continued to set, the team would have made additional final fours. Your argument that someone can't be just a serviceable setter, win a national championship and go to final fours is BS.
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