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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 19:37:46 GMT -5
If there are SoCal and Texas parents on board? Would love to hear your opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 21:31:41 GMT -5
Sigh--I've got a pet peeve. "Top Notch?" That's reputation. July 4, 1776 takes place the same as whether you are at Harvard or Harper College. 2+2 still equals 4. There are affordable top notch programs out there at affordable prices or with scholarship money that covers a ton of the cost and is available for most students. If money is the root issue, why not take all the gen-ed classes at your local two-year college? They'll have scholarship money AND your expenses will be low and you can transfer to most 4-year schools after that. Will Harvard take a transfer student? No, probably not. Then again--I'll take the engineering programs at places like Iowa State, Illinois, or Georgia Tech in almost every way--lower cost, practical knowledge, etc. So true, particularly for engineering. The big secret is three to five years out of college nobody cares where you went; it's all about your skills and experience. Yup. When my son was recruited (academically, not for athletics), that was a big point that the engineering college drove home--their job placement rate over the past ten years was something like 97%--with an average starting salary of $55k. Yeah, I know that many people make more than that, but for a 22-23 year old...that's an impressive couple numbers right there. * * In terms of club though--I'm always amazed how much money is made off of kids/families. I know people chuck scorn at recruiting companies for preying on kids/parents' dreams, but are expensive clubs any different? Two clubs near me that charge under $600/year had D-1 signees this year and ALL of their seniors are playing somewhere in college. For $600, I'd let my kid play. For $6000??? Nope.
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Post by loki on Apr 17, 2014 9:17:51 GMT -5
If it's about the money, smartest financial move you can make is to avoid having children in the first place.
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 17, 2014 10:53:37 GMT -5
If it's about the money, smartest financial move you can make is to avoid having children in the first place. LOL, truer words have never been written.
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Post by northace on Apr 17, 2014 10:58:43 GMT -5
We pay $2500 for club ball with some travel (Dells and Chicago) from Minneapolis. Our dd works in the summer to help with the cost. Aspirations are to play in college at a decent D2 program in the area with some type of scholarship, be it academic and/or athletic. She works hard and it keeps her busy. As a family we enjoy watching her play and develop into a well rounded young lady.
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Post by noreaster on Apr 17, 2014 13:49:17 GMT -5
4 and 5 yr masters programs at private colleges. Food. Books, housing, travel expenses, tuition, etc. As a former DI Head Coach I know how much college education can cost you. The most expensive private college in the country is Sarah Lawrence at $64K +, including room and board and this is DIII school. Sorry, but your numbers does not adds up! Plus scholarship available only for 4 years, and does not cover Masters program. Ja, When the Northwestern Football/Union story hit they said a scholarship to Northwestern was worth almost $75,000 a year which sounded high so I looked it up. undergradaid.northwestern.edu/eligibility-and-policies/financial-eligibility/cost-of-attendance.htmlThat's $65,554, and of course if you are a varsity athlete in many sports the scholarship includes tuition and room and board for the summers. Here's a link to Michigan's page which includes $56,300 a year out-of-state, and $13,800 more out-of-state for summer, so $70,100 at a public school. www.finaid.umich.edu/TopNav/AboutUMFinancialAid/CostofAttendance.aspxCloser to you, here is Fordham at $65,214 www.fordham.edu/images/finaid/fcrh_&_gsbrh_coa_1415.pdf, though I don't believe they pay for summers. Also, some athletes redshirt and several schools will extend athletes until graduation so yes, the 5th and 6th and I've even heard of the 7th year being paid for at a first class institution, and if the student redshirted that 5th year could very well be a masters degree. 5 years at $75,000 is $375,000 and that doesn't count the free clothes, a possible international trip, the best tutors, meals at the training table, and free personal training almost year round. At the other end of the spectrum there are little programs with 3.5 scholarships, and each player gets a free roll of tape to last them four years and pass or not their scholarship is over with the last whistle. Neither are "average" but there may certainly be parents on here to represent either end of the spectrum and I don't feel it is appropriate for you to ask the question and then call someone a lier for answering your question in a way that doesn't fit your agenda. Clubs run from about $350 a season to over $10,000 per season. It is lottery ticket bought with genetics and money. Everybody makes the decision that is right for them. It is what it is.
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Post by oldvbguy on Apr 17, 2014 14:26:10 GMT -5
Our daughter started bumping the ball in the yard with Mom and Dad in first grade. One thing led to another and another and another and she eventually became a starter at a DI school, earned a scholarship, became an All-American and played overseas as a professional. The odds of doing that - incredibly small.
The money we spent for her to play and her family to travel over the years probably equaled out with the value of her scholarship. The joy we experienced watching her excel and the lessons she learned were much more valuable. The peace of mind I enjoyed knowing where she was most nights of her high school years and knowing her peer group in college were all athletes and not excessive partiers I would not trade for anything. When she went away to college I knew there would be coaches, trainers, academic advisers and teammates all helping her work toward her goal and those 6 am weightlifting sessions would keep her from going crazy at night - or at least making it more challenging to fit both those activites in.
Does it make financial sense to spend a lot on club ball - probably not for the majority of kids. Buy Berkshire Hathaway stock instead. If I would have done that with all the volleyball money I spent over the years I would be retired on a beach right now. Do the non-financial benefits make up for that - for our family yes, many times over.
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Post by ryno42 on Apr 17, 2014 15:05:17 GMT -5
Ours is in SCVA and is $2400. Doesn't include travel, the tournaments are mostly in Anaheim which is only 40 minute drive. It is one of the cheaper ones in the area . I hear that the 'big name' clubs are closer to $7K. Daughter is only 12, so we do not plan on considering a big club at this point. Maybe when she is older, and IF she has the skill level to justify that expense.
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Post by ja on Apr 17, 2014 18:04:15 GMT -5
As a former DI Head Coach I know how much college education can cost you. The most expensive private college in the country is Sarah Lawrence at $64K +, including room and board and this is DIII school. Sorry, but your numbers does not adds up! Plus scholarship available only for 4 years, and does not cover Masters program. Ja, When the Northwestern Football/Union story hit they said a scholarship to Northwestern was worth almost $75,000 a year which sounded high so I looked it up. undergradaid.northwestern.edu/eligibility-and-policies/financial-eligibility/cost-of-attendance.htmlThat's $65,554, and of course if you are a varsity athlete in many sports the scholarship includes tuition and room and board for the summers. Here's a link to Michigan's page which includes $56,300 a year out-of-state, and $13,800 more out-of-state for summer, so $70,100 at a public school. www.finaid.umich.edu/TopNav/AboutUMFinancialAid/CostofAttendance.aspxCloser to you, here is Fordham at $65,214 www.fordham.edu/images/finaid/fcrh_&_gsbrh_coa_1415.pdf, though I don't believe they pay for summers. Also, some athletes redshirt and several schools will extend athletes until graduation so yes, the 5th and 6th and I've even heard of the 7th year being paid for at a first class institution, and if the student redshirted that 5th year could very well be a masters degree. 5 years at $75,000 is $375,000 and that doesn't count the free clothes, a possible international trip, the best tutors, meals at the training table, and free personal training almost year round. At the other end of the spectrum there are little programs with 3.5 scholarships, and each player gets a free roll of tape to last them four years and pass or not their scholarship is over with the last whistle. Neither are "average" but there may certainly be parents on here to represent either end of the spectrum and I don't feel it is appropriate for you to ask the question and then call someone a lier for answering your question in a way that doesn't fit your agenda. Clubs run from about $350 a season to over $10,000 per season. It is lottery ticket bought with genetics and money. Everybody makes the decision that is right for them. It is what it is. First of all, thank you for the research you did! Second, I never call this person a liar! If you will read his respond then you will see that it was kind of a "joke". My agenda is very simple, to find a correlation between money spend for a player to go to play college ball and how much can you gain if you looking into club as an investment. Price rising in both club and college tuition unfortunately getting completely out of hands, so I would love to see if investment in sport can seriously offset the cost of tuition. BTW, speaking of 5 year scholarship. NCAA will cover 5 year (usually one semester) if student-athlete will keep high GPA and do not have enough credits to graduate. But technically speaking this is not a scholarship from your college or university. I never was asking about how much one athlete will cost institution. It does not matter if you are walk on or scholarship athlete, as long as you are on the travel roster you will receive the same food, stay at the same hotel and have the same uniform.
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Post by ja on Apr 17, 2014 18:11:18 GMT -5
Thank you, oldvbguy! I never question non financial benefits of the club and college sport! Staying together and watching your kids doing something you love is priceless even if you have to get up at 4:30 in the morning and drive 50-70 miles to the tournament!
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Post by ja on Apr 17, 2014 18:11:54 GMT -5
If it's about the money, smartest financial move you can make is to avoid having children in the first place. LOL, truer words have never been written. And wife!
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Post by 11Six on Apr 17, 2014 21:17:46 GMT -5
If it's about the money, smartest financial move you can make is to avoid having children in the first place. Thankfully, life is not about the money.
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Post by ghost on Apr 18, 2014 7:07:30 GMT -5
If it's about the money, smartest financial move you can make is to avoid having children in the first place. Thankfully, life is not about the money. The sad part, to the majority life is about the money. Pay big to receive big, be owed more, to guarantee more, etc.
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 18, 2014 10:31:54 GMT -5
If it's about the money, smartest financial move you can make is to avoid having children in the first place. Thankfully, life is not about the money. Life in not *only* about the money. Loki was of course being facetious with his post; the rewards of parenthood can't be measured in dollars. That said, it is a pet peeve of mine when people imply money doesn't matter. Money does matter; it determines your quality of life and what opportunities you and your children will have. It isn't the MOST important thing in life, not as important as love, honor, integrity, honesty; but it is important.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Apr 18, 2014 11:06:25 GMT -5
SCVA...Around 5,000+ a season. Includes two out of state travel tournaments (usually 3 to 4 days) and flights, end of the year 5 day tournament, uniforms, warm-up suit, sweat jackets, one chaperone's room and flights, and all the administration stuff. Does not include travel food. I know people shake their heads, we did too. But I have to say it was worth it in the end and she would agree. The maturity and responsibility it instilled, how to budget time and school work, which helped her succeed in college, how to work with teammates and grownups. And the administration was willing to show you the break down of fees and etc.
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