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Post by ay2013 on Aug 17, 2014 10:27:57 GMT -5
Husky...I LOVE how Pac-12 fans consider almost making it the same as the real deal. A perfect example is my nieces that went to Oregon. They think Duck football rules. So your riposte is as expected. And by the way, "wannabees" probably wasn't an accurate term, but thanks for helping me make my point. what point was I helping you make? It was YOU who have the arbitrary statement of "it will be 2 Big10 teams vying for the NC" and then ended with "The Pac-12 are wannabees". So when I present you with the facts about how often a Pac-12 team reaches the finals, thus decreasing the chance of an all Big 10 final, which is what YOU professed in the first place, why then do I get lambasted for "considering almost making it the same as the real deal". Do you know what a logical fallacy is? I full well know that playing in the title match is not the same as winning it, but your original comment suggested nothing of this, and in reality, who wins the tournament doesn't make a lot of difference in determining which conference is better. And by your argument the Big 10 conference really isn't the "real deal" either, rather just Penn State, since they have been the only Big 10 program, EVER, to win a national championship. And Oregon football is a top tier football program, and has been in recent years.... anyone who would suggest otherwise, and I take it you do, are fools.
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Post by akbar on Aug 17, 2014 10:38:09 GMT -5
the Big 10 conference really isn't the "real deal" either, rather just Penn State, since they have been the only Big 10 program, EVER, to win a national championship. [/quote] Wow. Interesting post.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Aug 17, 2014 10:52:59 GMT -5
More interesting than who's the best, I'm interested in who's best after Big Ten, PAC 12, and big 12.
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Post by MTC on Aug 17, 2014 12:10:26 GMT -5
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Post by FreeBall on Aug 17, 2014 13:23:04 GMT -5
More interesting than who's the best, I'm interested in who's best after Big Ten, PAC 12, and big 12. The past three years, there's usually been a notable gap after the first two, with the Big 12, WCC and SEC interchangeably bunched in the 3, 4 and 5 positions.
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Post by Paulj on Aug 17, 2014 16:17:58 GMT -5
Husky Dawg, your notion of using history to declare this season's best is nothing short of ludicrous. You must be dumping your entire pension into blue chips like GM......good grief, and good luck!
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 17, 2014 16:33:14 GMT -5
Husky...I LOVE how Pac-12 fans consider almost making it the same as the real deal. A perfect example is my nieces that went to Oregon. They think Duck football rules. So your riposte is as expected. And by the way, "wannabees" probably wasn't an accurate term, but thanks for helping me make my point. Yeah, Oregon football is a bunch of chumps. They've only won 2 BCS Bowls in the past 3 years. Who's your team?
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Post by pepperbrooks on Aug 17, 2014 17:38:34 GMT -5
More interesting than who's the best, I'm interested in who's best after Big Ten, PAC 12, and big 12. The past three years, there's usually been a notable gap after the first two, with the Big 12, WCC and SEC interchangeably bunched in the 3, 4 and 5 positions. Will the ACC ever move up? Shouldn't they with most of the east coast in their conference?
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 17, 2014 19:44:36 GMT -5
Husky Dawg, your notion of using history to declare this season's best is nothing short of ludicrous. You must be dumping your entire pension into blue chips like GM......good grief, and good luck! And when did I use "history" to declare this season's best? Oh, right, I didn't. I never actually even said which conference would be the best this year. I used "history" to show that the Pac-12 aren't "wannabees' like you suggest. You are apparently new here... that, or you are former member with a new screen name, either way, If you are going to come on here and argue, at least understand what it is you are arguing about. And, to further support this idea that you don't know what you are talking about, beneficiaries of pensions don't get to decide where that money is invested, the employers do.
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Post by redincolorado on Aug 18, 2014 13:05:43 GMT -5
Husky Dawg, your notion of using history to declare this season's best is nothing short of ludicrous. You must be dumping your entire pension into blue chips like GM......good grief, and good luck! And when did I use "history" to declare this season's best? Oh, right, I didn't. I never actually even said which conference would be the best this year. I used "history" to show that the Pac-12 aren't "wannabees' like you suggest. You are apparently new here... that, or you are former member with a new screen name, either way, If you are going to come on here and argue, at least understand what it is you are arguing about. And, to further support this idea that you don't know what you are talking about, beneficiaries of pensions don't get to decide where that money is invested, the employers do. Yeah----calling the Pac-12 "wannabees" is laughable. IMHO, the B1G & Pac-12 are clearly head and shoulders above everyone else and are close enough to each other top to bottom that we'll just have to let the season play out to call one conference better than the other with these two.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 18, 2014 15:24:32 GMT -5
The past three years, there's usually been a notable gap after the first two, with the Big 12, WCC and SEC interchangeably bunched in the 3, 4 and 5 positions. Will the ACC ever move up? Shouldn't they with most of the east coast in their conference? they have moved up.
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Post by gulo2 on Aug 18, 2014 15:34:10 GMT -5
Will the ACC ever move up? Shouldn't they with most of the east coast in their conference? I think the answer is yes and in a bigger way, and not in the distant future. The addition of Louisville, Syracuse, and Pitt, each on the rise, and loss of MD, will help some. And consider the states of Texas, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and Louisiana - east coast states, plus a few southern states. Current prep volleyball hotbed states? No (except for TX), but they are perennially the states with the top high school football recruits, along with Cali and Ohio. Arguably, the most talented athletes are concentrated in these states, both male and female, and no reason to think that growing trend will not continue in the years ahead. The interest and level of play in volleyball in the south is on the rise. It’s only a matter of time before all of this will help result in the ascension of the ACC (and SEC as well). That’s a good thing. Like play in the NFL, greater parity in volleyball will help grow the game and heighten fan interest. More parity has already arrived in the B1G, and this will be one of the more exciting B1G seasons in some time for it. Can’t wait for the season to start.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 18, 2014 16:09:09 GMT -5
You cant wait until the season is over and based on results to say "this was the best conference" (well, you should but you cant here) because it will always be based on how people want to define it. Is it top to bottom, is it top, is it how many teams make the NCAA? is it how many teams advance?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 18, 2014 16:23:26 GMT -5
Am I the only one who really doesn't care that much if "my" conference is #1 or not? I'll freely admit that I'm not as emotionally or professionally invested in women's NCAA indoor as many here are, but are Ohio State fans really rooting for Michigan? And so on? I went to Cal, and Rich is a friend (at least I think we are, although he may view me more as an ATM machine...hmm.), so I like to see the Bears do well. But I'm for damn sure not rooting for Stanford or USC. Yuck.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 18, 2014 16:26:06 GMT -5
It will be two B1G teams vying for the NC...unless they do something crazy with the tourney pairings to encourage fandom over a greater geographic area.
In my humble (yet always correct) opinion, Pac-12 are just wannabees....be it volleyball (B1G owns) or football (SEC owns). well, technically, the acc (florida st) owns it right now ... just sayin' ...
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