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Post by elevationvb on Sept 22, 2014 15:31:53 GMT -5
You're impressed with, .127 hitting; 0 solo blocks; 0 block assists? Seriously, do you have lower standards / lower expectations for "teamshortgirls? It's really easy to make that argument when you're cherry picking stats. But lezbehonest, based on some of your posts in "Political Ramblings" cherry picking is something you excel at. Amy Neal, at 5'10, has beaten out other taller players at the OH position because of her ability to play back row defense and serve receive consistently, in addition to not being an offensive liability. If you watched the game you know she did more than her fair share of keeping the ball in play with smart shots, 15 digs and I assume a fairly high passing rating. Pretty impressive for someone who was originally recruited to be a Libero out of college. When you have to resort to my posts on politics, you've conceded your argument.
Her offensive stats speak for themselves against good teams. That's not cherry picking.
And the object of the OH is to put balls down, not keep them in play. You are willing to accept,
- .127 hitting; 0 solo blocks; 0 block assists - that you would not accept for Webster, etc. Why? Because you are giving her a pass for being 5' 10".
And nobody is talking about her back row passing - we are fine with her being a DS.
Texas will not compete for a national championship against the likes of Wisconsin, Penn State, Washington, etc with Neal as the OH.
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Post by elbelle on Sept 22, 2014 15:54:19 GMT -5
It's really easy to make that argument when you're cherry picking stats. But lezbehonest, based on some of your posts in "Political Ramblings" cherry picking is something you excel at. Amy Neal, at 5'10, has beaten out other taller players at the OH position because of her ability to play back row defense and serve receive consistently, in addition to not being an offensive liability. If you watched the game you know she did more than her fair share of keeping the ball in play with smart shots, 15 digs and I assume a fairly high passing rating. Pretty impressive for someone who was originally recruited to be a Libero out of college. When you have to resort to my posts on politics, you've conceded your argument.
Her offensive stats speak for themselves against good teams. That's not cherry picking.
And the object of the OH is to put balls down, not keep them in play. You are willing to accept,
- .127 hitting; 0 solo blocks; 0 block assists - that you would not accept for Webster, etc. Why? Because you are giving her a pass for being 5' 10".
And nobody is talking about her back row passing - we are fine with her being a DS.
Texas will not compete for a national championship against the likes of Wisconsin, Penn State, Washington, etc with Neal as the OH.
As much as I hate to agree with you about Amy Neal, cause I love her. You have a point. I was impresses with her through the first 3 sets, after that Nebraska got her number and pretty much shut her down. Other elite teams are going to figure it out much quicker. Would she be fine playing OH during the Big12 season, yea. Postseason, probably not so much. Her smart shots won't work against Wisconsin's defense, Washington's block would render her useless and Penn State would eat her alive. I love her and her work ethic and unless she can find a way to hit for a better percentage and put the ball away, then we need another terminator on the outside.
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Sept 22, 2014 16:02:37 GMT -5
It's really easy to make that argument when you're cherry picking stats. But lezbehonest, based on some of your posts in "Political Ramblings" cherry picking is something you excel at. Amy Neal, at 5'10, has beaten out other taller players at the OH position because of her ability to play back row defense and serve receive consistently, in addition to not being an offensive liability. If you watched the game you know she did more than her fair share of keeping the ball in play with smart shots, 15 digs and I assume a fairly high passing rating. Pretty impressive for someone who was originally recruited to be a Libero out of college. When you have to resort to my posts on politics, you've conceded your argument.
Her offensive stats speak for themselves against good teams. That's not cherry picking.
And the object of the OH is to put balls down, not keep them in play. You are willing to accept,
- .127 hitting; 0 solo blocks; 0 block assists - that you would not accept for Webster, etc. Why? Because you are giving her a pass for being 5' 10".
And nobody is talking about her back row passing - we are fine with her being a DS.
Texas will not compete for a national championship against the likes of Wisconsin, Penn State, Washington, etc with Neal as the OH.
I don't concede any argument, I'm just calling out your tendency to be condescending/belittling with cherry picked facts. I will continue to be impressed with Amy's overall play, regardless of your personal assessment and I disagree with your prediction that Texas can't compete with Amy Neal playing front row. I think it's a little misleading to insinuate that Amy Neal can't put the ball down. I'm suggesting that while she may not be able to hit the ball over the block, she's just as effective tooling high hands and finding seams. I think she also makes smarter decisions than some of our other options at the OH position. More especially, I think her ability to better the ball when out of system allows Texas to have more diversified offense and more 1-on-1 with the opposing blockers. I think she's especially effective in Texas' current system, whereas someone like Bailey probably would not. Let me point out that it was Wisconsin playing with an undersized OH and an undersized Middle that knocked Texas out of the semi-final match. I think it's foolish to assume that the size of one player would disqualify your chances of competing for a championship.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Sept 22, 2014 16:55:49 GMT -5
Amy Neal hit the seam over and over again scoring against the Huskers. Finally they adjusted and moved their block over and finally stopped her. I was very impressed with her. However, you are right other teams will watch film and adjust. She was very impressive.
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Post by elevationvb on Sept 22, 2014 17:33:09 GMT -5
When you have to resort to my posts on politics, you've conceded your argument.
Her offensive stats speak for themselves against good teams. That's not cherry picking.
And the object of the OH is to put balls down, not keep them in play. You are willing to accept,
- .127 hitting; 0 solo blocks; 0 block assists - that you would not accept for Webster, etc. Why? Because you are giving her a pass for being 5' 10".
And nobody is talking about her back row passing - we are fine with her being a DS.
Texas will not compete for a national championship against the likes of Wisconsin, Penn State, Washington, etc with Neal as the OH.
I don't concede any argument, I'm just calling out your tendency to be condescending/belittling with cherry picked facts. I will continue to be impressed with Amy's overall play, regardless of your personal assessment and I disagree with your prediction that Texas can't compete with Amy Neal playing front row. I think it's a little misleading to insinuate that Amy Neal can't put the ball down. I'm suggesting that while she may not be able to hit the ball over the block, she's just as effective tooling high hands and finding seams. I think she also makes smarter decisions than some of our other options at the OH position. More especially, I think her ability to better the ball when out of system allows Texas to have more diversified offense and more 1-on-1 with the opposing blockers. I think she's especially effective in Texas' current system, whereas someone like Bailey probably would not. Let me point out that it was Wisconsin playing with an undersized OH and an undersized Middle that knocked Texas out of the semi-final match. I think it's foolish to assume that the size of one player would disqualify your chances of competing for a championship. And where is that Wisconsin player playing in the lineup this season? I will venture a guess that the Wisconsin coach remembered the loss to Penn State in the national championship and concluded if I want to compete for a national championship in 2014, I better make the necessary adjustment in my lineup. About Amy, I have not cherry picked 1 fact. Cherry picking would be if I cited those stats in support of her overall season as an OH. What I said was she will not be effective as an OH against the top teams. And her performance against Nebraska is an example. I have said repeatedly she is one of the smartest players on the team and can hit the ball hard, etc. But her height is what it is and she will not be consistently effective against the top teams. I watch Wisconsin and Washington play each other over the weekend - - they will eat up Amy on the front court. I am not impressed by Texas wins against the likes of UTEP, Florida A&M, UCF, Seattle, TCU, Tech, etc. What I am interested in is the team competing for a national championship. Winning the opening round in Austin is expected and a no brainer. The Regionals is a different subject.
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Post by elevationvb on Sept 22, 2014 17:34:23 GMT -5
Amy Neal hit the seam over and over again scoring against the Huskers. Finally they adjusted and moved their block over and finally stopped her. I was very impressed with her. However, you are right other teams will watch film and adjust. She was very impressive. She is a very smart player who understands the game as well as any player on the team. It's a shame she isn't taller for a top D1 team like Texas.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 18:32:35 GMT -5
Despite the outcome, I would still say the Huskers looked like the better team overall. At least the momentum always seemed to be with them. The first set was a draw, a lot of errors. The second set, the Huskers definitely looked like the better team. The blown calls in the third set completely changed that set. Up to that point the Huskers looked like the better team in that set. There were four very questionable calls that all went Texas's way. Two of those were unequivocally the wrong calls as the video boards and TV footage proved. The fourth set looked like a draw as well, this time with the Huskers winning the set. The fifth set is when Texas looked like the better team as they were able to hit the sharp angle while the Husker passing broke down. With all due respect, and saying this as a staunch Husker fan, the "better team" generally plays best when it matters most, in this case being set five. Having said that, the Huskers looked good at times and definitely gave me reason for optimism looking forward to the remaining season. I hope you're right, but Mary's setting still gives me the willies once in awhile.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Sept 22, 2014 19:28:31 GMT -5
With all due respect, and saying this as a staunch Husker fan, the "better team" generally plays best when it matters most, in this case being set five. Having said that, the Huskers looked good at times and definitely gave me reason for optimism looking forward to the remaining season. I hope you're right, but Mary's setting still gives me the willies once in awhile. You and me both. I'm just trying to view things from a glass half full perspective. It will likely be a wild ride in 2014 for Husker fans.
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Post by mplssetter on Sept 22, 2014 23:53:18 GMT -5
I'm not a regular follower of TX vb, so forgive me if this is common knowledge, but why isn't Tiffany Baker playing? Is she not 100% or did she get beat out by others?
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Post by Longhorn20 on Sept 23, 2014 6:28:30 GMT -5
I'm not a regular follower of TX vb, so forgive me if this is common knowledge, but why isn't Tiffany Baker playing? Is she not 100% or did she get beat out by others? Neither her nor Dalton are 100% quite yet
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Post by baywatcher on Sept 23, 2014 8:32:34 GMT -5
Haven't been able to watch Texas play this year, but Neal sounds like the classic OH2, on the court more for all around skills than hitting. Particularly if Texas stays in the 6-2, there are other options to feed for kills. Her classic job would be to occasionally terminate and keep OOS balls in play by avoiding errors or the block.
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Post by southie on Sept 23, 2014 8:43:13 GMT -5
Pilar started out the season so well at OH2. But, against Florida, too many tips and tentative swings, so she gets pulled early in the match, and Neal takes her place.
Really hoping Paulina will figure it out over the course of the Big 12 season. She could be the answer at OH2 if we settle into a 5-1 offense down the road.
I appreciate Neal's aggressiveness as a hitter; she is going to get blocked, but every hitter does. She did pretty well against PSU in 2013, I believe, so she has had her moments against a big blocking teams.
Assuming Baker isn't going to get meaningful minutes this season, we are going to have to accept that Neal, Pilar, and Paulina are our pin hitter options when Bell and Eckerman aren't on the front row.
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Post by texasnewbie on Sept 23, 2014 11:59:23 GMT -5
Texas was a hot mess against Nebraska, no reason why we shouldn't of had that twin's number on the outside. I will give this to Nebraska, they were a completely different team this time than their first match this season. They looked like a top team should at the start of a season. It is one tough place to play in, no matter what Nebraska will pack the entire arena whether they're playing amazing or not. They absolutely exposed Texas' weakness on Saturday. Chloe, love her as a person but when has she ever reach back to take a ball from a defender? WOW! She was horrible Saturday, I will say she did improve as the match went to FIVE!! LOL...No reason for 13 service errors either. Haley was 4 of them. It's been a while since I've seen JE pull Eck from the service line. FINALLY the setters are giving Haley what she needs as far as her sets go, she struggled a bit at the start of the match but she played a great game considering how she'd been playing in other matches. Neal did a great job on the outside and in serve receive, I will even say her defense was pretty good in the back row, I do agree with others on this thread, she will get eaten alive by bigger teams. PSU, Wisconsin, Washington, USC, Stanford---they will camp on her and have her for lunch. Even as explosive as Bell is, she looked a little off Saturday also, not in blocking but just overall, she looked like she'd be sick or something. She had a good match though. Molly played well and Dalton did also. Texas finally realized they're human and this 6:2 will need work if they continue to run the damn thing. Paulina had so much confidence at home in Gregory, then she swung so tentatively at Nebraska. Here is what I'd like to see and to STAY WITH IT and WORK IT until it's close to near perfection:
5:1
OH-Eckerman OH-Prieto OPP-Bell MB-Chi MB-McCage Setter-Dalton Libero-McCoy DS-Amy / Pilar for Prieto either letting Prieto serve if it's consistent and if it isn't then anyone of those girls is capable of a good serve.
I'd like to see them run this and see what happens!
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Post by diggerdive on Sept 23, 2014 13:17:47 GMT -5
Texas was a hot mess against Nebraska, no reason why we shouldn't of had that twin's number on the outside. I will give this to Nebraska, they were a completely different team this time than their first match this season. They looked like a top team should at the start of a season. It is one tough place to play in, no matter what Nebraska will pack the entire arena whether they're playing amazing or not. They absolutely exposed Texas' weakness on Saturday. Chloe, love her as a person but when has she ever reach back to take a ball from a defender? WOW! She was horrible Saturday, I will say she did improve as the match went to FIVE!! LOL...No reason for 13 service errors either. Haley was 4 of them. It's been a while since I've seen JE pull Eck from the service line. FINALLY the setters are giving Haley what she needs as far as her sets go, she struggled a bit at the start of the match but she played a great game considering how she'd been playing in other matches. Neal did a great job on the outside and in serve receive, I will even say her defense was pretty good in the back row, I do agree with others on this thread, she will get eaten alive by bigger teams. PSU, Wisconsin, Washington, USC, Stanford---they will camp on her and have her for lunch. Even as explosive as Bell is, she looked a little off Saturday also, not in blocking but just overall, she looked like she'd be sick or something. She had a good match though. Molly played well and Dalton did also. Texas finally realized they're human and this 6:2 will need work if they continue to run the damn thing. Paulina had so much confidence at home in Gregory, then she swung so tentatively at Nebraska. Here is what I'd like to see and to STAY WITH IT and WORK IT until it's close to near perfection: 5:1 OH-Eckerman OH-Prieto OPP-Bell MB-Chi MB-McCage Setter-Dalton Libero-McCoy DS-Amy / Pilar for Prieto either letting Prieto serve if it's consistent and if it isn't then anyone of those girls is capable of a good serve. I'd like to see them run this and see what happens! Agree! or at least give Prieto some time in OH2 even with the 6/2 and see how she does
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Post by mplssetter on Sept 23, 2014 22:46:20 GMT -5
I'm not a regular follower of TX vb, so forgive me if this is common knowledge, but why isn't Tiffany Baker playing? Is she not 100% or did she get beat out by others? Neither her nor Dalton are 100% quite yet What injury is she coming back from?
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