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Post by MyNameHere on Nov 1, 2014 10:41:55 GMT -5
Just a quick clarification.. For a ball to be pursuable, it must pass outside OR OVER the antenna. It must be returned outside OR OVER the antenna. It may also hit the ceiling or overhead playing obstruction in the opponent's free Zone (not over the playing court). I could look this up, but I'll just ask. Does this mean we have another "any part of the ball" rule? That is, any part of the ball passing over the antenna makes it legal? That is, if all but a tiny part of the ball passes INSIDE the antenna, it's still legal to pursue it AND legal if it comes back in play that way? I'm guessing that's the case, since you have legal and illegal (in or out) and you can't have something in between. Yikes. That's all but impossible for refs to call (especially coming back) unless you have REALLY active line judges. Wouldn't it make more sense if the ball had to be completely outside the antenna coming back? You are correct. If a ball crossing the net has any part outside the crossing space (area between the antennas up to the ceiling), even if the ball itself is mostly inside the crossing space, it is pursuable (assuming the pursuit rule is in effect for that match). It is difficult for referees to call correctly, and they do rely heavily on the line judges, especially for the first contact crossing to the opponents. The second contact can be easier to judge because the R2 has time to re-position themselves closer to the antenna for a more direct view. I think the rules makes sense the way it is because if the pursuit rule is in effect, and any part of the ball goes over the antenna, it's immediately out of play. The pursuit rule just allows continuation of play in all those formerly out-of-play situations. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 17:50:51 GMT -5
That part does make sense, since the ball is out. What doesn't make sense, to me, is allowing it to come back into play with any part of it over the antenna. I guess it's consistent, but needlessly difficult to judge AND needlessly advantageous to the team saving the ball.
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Post by springs on Nov 1, 2014 19:17:15 GMT -5
Solution - get rid of pursuit.
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Post by vbman100 on Nov 1, 2014 20:47:27 GMT -5
1. All coaches can stand during play, all 10 of them (if so). They must be 1.75 meters from the playing court during play. They may not be in the substitution zone. Only NJCAA has a rule that one coach at a time may stand during play to give instruction to players on the court. Since the HS rules are also being discussed in this thread, we should point out that HS rules limit it to HC and only while the ball is not in play. I think USAV limits it to A coach and only while the ball is not in play. Seen it called over the years, but only when the coach is being a pain about it or the other coach complains enough. I have definitely seen some coaches that I wanted to go over a tell them to sit down and shut up, and not always on the other team [if you know what I mean]. In our state, HS coaches (only 1) can stand during play, whether the ball is live or not. I am not sure if there is a 'distance from the court that a coach is allowed to stand' rule, but 1.75 m sounds about right, since I have been told at times to step back, usually after an extended 'disagreement' with an official's ruling. In the state I coached in previously, HS coaches could not stand during play, except to greet substitutes or to request a timeout,lineup check,etc.. So I think the HS rules vary from state to state. For USAV, the HC and 1 AC can stand to give instructions to team members, but it has to be in the free zone in front of the team bench and no closer than 1.75 m from the court (as you see the dotted lines when watching international play indicating the coach's restriction zone). |
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Post by nationalreferee on Nov 2, 2014 0:01:56 GMT -5
1. All coaches can stand during play, all 10 of them (if so). They must be 1.75 meters from the playing court during play. They may not be in the substitution zone. Only NJCAA has a rule that one coach at a time may stand during play to give instruction to players on the court. Since the HS rules are also being discussed in this thread, we should point out that HS rules limit it to HC and only while the ball is not in play. I think USAV limits it to A coach and only while the ball is not in play. Seen it called over the years, but only when the coach is being a pain about it or the other coach complains enough. I have definitely seen some coaches that I wanted to go over a tell them to sit down and shut up, and not always on the other team [if you know what I mean]. USAV allows the head coach PLUS one assistant at a time to stand and coach during play. HS only allows the head coach to stand. NJCAA only allows one coach (HC or assistant) to stand. |
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Post by nationalreferee on Nov 2, 2014 0:08:21 GMT -5
The ball directly over the antenna does not make it harder for officials.... When pursuit is not in effect, the ball is immediately out when any part of it passes over it. With the pursuit rule in effect, it is playable. Being over versus completely outside the antenna makes no difference... In both situations it is whistled with no pursuit. And in both situations, it is "play on" with the pursuit rule in effect.
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Post by nationalreferee on Nov 2, 2014 0:19:16 GMT -5
The HS rule allowing the HC to stand was changed 5-6 years ago. Unless they or their bench get a card... Then they're seated for the rest of the match.
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