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Post by dorothymantooth on May 22, 2015 12:45:18 GMT -5
It is my understanding LSU just released a transfer to play right away this fall. Would love to hear the rationale of releasing a player who leaves in late may, accepting a transfer who was released to play right away, and not releasing Holman?
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Post by volleyguy on May 22, 2015 13:10:43 GMT -5
It is my understanding LSU just released a transfer to play right away this fall. Would love to hear the rationale of releasing a player who leaves in late may, accepting a transfer who was released to play right away, and not releasing Holman? The punchline is "because she can." I imagine this means that there is no chance for a reversal on Holman. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 14:02:50 GMT -5
It is my understanding LSU just released a transfer to play right away this fall. Would love to hear the rationale of releasing a player who leaves in late may, accepting a transfer who was released to play right away, and not releasing Holman? this was already answered. you just didn't like the answer. or, should i say, you and john didn't like the answer. programs frown on programs that swipe aa players. this ain't rocket science. |
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Post by oldmanred on May 22, 2015 14:25:19 GMT -5
It is my understanding LSU just released a transfer to play right away this fall. Would love to hear the rationale of releasing a player who leaves in late may, accepting a transfer who was released to play right away, and not releasing Holman? this was already answered. you just didn't like the answer. or, should i say, you and john didn't like the answer. programs frown on programs that swipe aa players. this ain't rocket science. What and who are you accusing!  GO HUSKERS |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 14:29:19 GMT -5
i'm not accusing anyone of anything. just stating a fact. dorothy seems to find it hard to understand why holman is different. frankly, i'm surprised mick isn't doing the same with ebony. there are transfers and there are ++transfers++. and this all started with utah ...
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Post by oldmanred on May 22, 2015 14:33:08 GMT -5
i'm not accusing anyone of anything. just stating a fact. dorothy seems to find it hard to understand why holman is different. frankly, i'm surprised mick isn't doing the same with ebony. there are transfers and there are ++transfers++. and this all started with utah ... Sounds like you're accusing John of swiping Holman! GO HUSKERS |
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 22, 2015 14:38:37 GMT -5
It is my understanding LSU just released a transfer to play right away this fall. Would love to hear the rationale of releasing a player who leaves in late may, accepting a transfer who was released to play right away, and not releasing Holman? this was already answered. you just didn't like the answer. or, should i say, you and john didn't like the answer. programs frown on programs that swipe aa players. this ain't rocket science. That is totally baseless. Why would it matter if they were AA? Being good shouldnt be a reason to not release a player IMO. That would be a lousy way to be discriminated against. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 22, 2015 14:41:56 GMT -5
i'm not accusing anyone of anything. just stating a fact. dorothy seems to find it hard to understand why holman is different. frankly, i'm surprised mick isn't doing the same with ebony. there are transfers and there are ++transfers++. and this all started with utah ... You most certainly made an accusation. Secondly, I dont understand why she is different, thirdly Mick did take issue with programs he felt tampered. I take strong exception to there being transfers and then there being more important transfers. These are people, who are looking to find a program where they fit in better, are happier. Its disrespectful IMO to make a statement that "you arent that good, so we don't care if you leave". |
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Post by volleyguy on May 22, 2015 14:51:59 GMT -5
this was already answered. you just didn't like the answer. or, should i say, you and john didn't like the answer. programs frown on programs that swipe aa players. this ain't rocket science. That is totally baseless. Why would it matter if they were AA? Being good shouldnt be a reason to not release a player IMO. That would be a lousy way to be discriminated against. I'm not taking a position on the right or wrong of this specific decision. However, your argument doesn't make sense to me. The athletes were obviously treated differently--usually to their benefit-- because they are good. The better the athlete, the greater the perceived loss if he/she leaves. That isn't meant to be an argument for how programs should treat athletes, but it is an accurate reflection of how they are treated. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 15:02:45 GMT -5
exactly. this is the reality. it's also perfectly understandable, whether you think it's right or not.
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 22, 2015 15:10:45 GMT -5
That is totally baseless. Why would it matter if they were AA? Being good shouldnt be a reason to not release a player IMO. That would be a lousy way to be discriminated against. I'm not taking a position on the right or wrong of this specific decision. However, your argument doesn't make sense to me. The athletes were obviously treated differently--usually to their benefit-- because they are good. The better the athlete, the greater the perceived loss if he/she leaves. That isn't meant to be an argument for how programs should treat athletes, but it is an accurate reflection of how they are treated. I'll take a position on it. It's wrong! I should add that I have always been on record that all transfers should have to sit a year including Holman. Holman also had no problem with not being released to play in the fall, but when she wasnt released to play sand, and they were taking in transfers, she took it as personal, as would anyone. This is arbitrary, and unfair IMO. Mandatory sit-out, takes the arbitrary out of it. Here is what we know as fact, LSU has zero problems taking in a transfer who was a top player at the school she left, and they have zero problems with a player who isnt exceptional leaving their program with a full release. If you are a great player at LSU, you are operating under a different set of rules. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 22, 2015 15:11:26 GMT -5
exactly. this is the reality. it's also perfectly understandable, whether you think it's right or not. It's because it's wrong, that it isnt understandable. |
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Post by volleyguy on May 22, 2015 15:21:12 GMT -5
I'm not taking a position on the right or wrong of this specific decision. However, your argument doesn't make sense to me. The athletes were obviously treated differently--usually to their benefit-- because they are good. The better the athlete, the greater the perceived loss if he/she leaves. That isn't meant to be an argument for how programs should treat athletes, but it is an accurate reflection of how they are treated. I'll take a position on it. It's wrong! I should add that I have always been on record that all transfers should have to sit a year including Holman. Holman also had no problem with not being released to play in the fall, but when she wasnt released to play sand, and they were taking in transfers, she took it as personal, as would anyone. This is arbitrary, and unfair IMO. Mandatory sit-out, takes the arbitrary out of it. Here is what we know as fact, LSU has zero problems taking in a transfer who was a top player at the school she left, and they have zero problems with a player who isnt exceptional leaving their program with a full release. If you are a great player at LSU, you are operating under a different set of rules. The standard response by every coach--including John Cook mind you--is that decisions on giving transfers full releases are made on a "case-by-case basis." This makes sense, of course, when the rules provide for exceptions to the existing rule that transfers must sit out for a year (except those sports where there is no exception). While I appreciate that you feel comfortable taking a definitive position, I would argue that you have no basis to fully evaluate the validity of these decisions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 15:21:42 GMT -5
depends on what you mean by "wrong." if somebody doesn't put a stop to this, the rest of d1 will soon become the minor leagues for 20 other programs. i'm guessing you think it's wrong because she isn't being treated the same as every other transfer. well, she isn't the same as most of the other transfers.
this is the way the world works. it's certainly the way the sports world works.
which is worse, by the way? schools everyone knows have wide open doors for this sort of thing or the schools who don't want to facilitate this sort of stuff?
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Post by volleyguy on May 22, 2015 15:31:48 GMT -5
exactly. this is the reality. it's also perfectly understandable, whether you think it's right or not. It's because it's wrong, that it isnt understandable. If you believe that every transfer should sit out a year, why is it wrong that Holman must sit out a year? It seems that you and Fran would be in agreement on that specific outcome. |
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