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Post by strikestwice on Nov 27, 2014 9:34:28 GMT -5
Happens all the time, especially in California. The Balboa Bay 2's teams are notorious for being very good. Last year at JO's the SCVC 2nd team knocked out their first team in a playoff match and ended up in the Gold Bracket for 18 Open. Ultimate also put 2 18s teams into the Top 12. Around Wisconsin traditionally there have not been as many boys clubs that have two teams from what I know, so I am guessing it probably is not very common there.
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Post by wivolleyball on Nov 27, 2014 10:14:22 GMT -5
My opinion was over the last several years mvc and lightning where the two top clubs in the state and so if lightning closes and all the player from lightning join mvc shouldn't they then have the top two teams in the state if they don't something is wrong.
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Post by vbsetter2012 on Nov 27, 2014 12:22:28 GMT -5
My opinion was over the last several years mvc and lightning where the two top clubs in the state and so if lightning closes and all the player from lightning join mvc shouldn't they then have the top two teams in the state if they don't something is wrong. At 18's, MVC should be top two teams as MVC/WAL went 1-2-3 at Badger last year (17's); doesn't sound like Southwest or Sting will have 18's teams this year. At 17's, Sting should still be the best, although gap with MVC-1's should be closer At 16's, MVC-1's definitely will be the class of the age group as the best WAL players, I believe, went to MVC this year. Not sure how the MVC-2's will compare, but guessing they will be above the rest. At 15's this could be interesting depending on who went where. Southport had a pretty good year, very close to WAL. So, again, depending who went where with Lightning players, could be an edge to MVC, but I wouldn't rule out Southport. Would really be nice if all clubs would post their rosters on their websites (Southport has already) and not make us wait till January and the Chicago qualifier to see them on AES.
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Post by dividedwefall on Nov 27, 2014 15:48:18 GMT -5
All the mainstay players came back with the exception of their #2 MB, who is not playing club this year. Don't think there will be any drop off from where they have been the last few years. #2 Libero and #3 OH went to MVC. I'm not disagreeing with you but I don't think anyone can be counted out as of now. MVC picked up a new middle and a real nice outside from lightning. With the way that some kids develop i.e Klassen from being on MVC 2s to a top player in the state I would always hold my breath to see how things pan out. Saying this Sting holds the advantage but nothing is ever certain in this sport. the problem is that there are 2 ways a player makes the jump that klassen did. he either was fundamentally sound but undersized and hits a growth spurt or he has the size but not volleyball skills and received outstanding coaching. the NS group will not have the coaching that Klassen finally got last year with lightning. He went from an unknown to one of the most sought after pin hitters in the country. I don't see any of the 17s players (lightning or sting) making that kind of a jump this year.
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Post by freeball on Nov 27, 2014 16:23:48 GMT -5
My opinion was over the last several years mvc and lightning where the two top clubs in the state and so if lightning closes and all the player from lightning join mvc shouldn't they then have the top two teams in the state if they don't something is wrong. At 18's, MVC should be top two teams as MVC/WAL went 1-2-3 at Badger last year (17's); doesn't sound like Southwest or Sting will have 18's teams this year. At 17's, Sting should still be the best, although gap with MVC-1's should be closer At 16's, MVC-1's definitely will be the class of the age group as the best WAL players, I believe, went to MVC this year. Not sure how the MVC-2's will compare, but guessing they will be above the rest. At 15's this could be interesting depending on who went where. Southport had a pretty good year, very close to WAL. So, again, depending who went where with Lightning players, could be an edge to MVC, but I wouldn't rule out Southport. Would really be nice if all clubs would post their rosters on their websites (Southport has already) and not make us wait till January and the Chicago qualifier to see them on AES. MVC 15-1s will definately be the stongest team for that age group. The team has the top 7 guys from last year's Lightning 14s team plus the top 4 guys from MVC (plus one who I understand didn't play club last year). Southport 14s were a good team last year but I don't think they will be able to match up with the new MVC team this year.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Nov 28, 2014 0:30:49 GMT -5
Happens all the time, especially in California. The Balboa Bay 2's teams are notorious for being very good. Last year at JO's the SCVC 2nd team knocked out their first team in a playoff match and ended up in the Gold Bracket for 18 Open. Ultimate also put 2 18s teams into the Top 12. Around Wisconsin traditionally there have not been as many boys clubs that have two teams from what I know, so I am guessing it probably is not very common there. Well, that SCVC team was a special case with practically their entire team from the previous year coming over to SCVC, some staff included. They really weren't a 2's team and I don't think they were ever listed as such. I agree with your general point though.
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Post by vball2012 on Nov 29, 2014 0:34:32 GMT -5
They have won a couple sets over the years (14's), but never a match. My mistake, I obviously had my facts wrong. I still believe that this MVC team might have more fire power than the Sting team this year. I heard that Sting (formerly lightning) lost some key players, and it seems like MVC has kept all their players. When will rosters be up? what makes you think the MVC team will have more firepower than sting?
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Post by united4ever on Nov 29, 2014 14:43:51 GMT -5
Who are the "big guns" that MVC added?
I think if you match them up to the Sting playes, advantage goes to Sting at every position.
OH: Farrel and Campbell over Roenitz and ? MB: Staddick and ? over Dixon and Rohde OPP: Szews and Sydnor over Spence and ? S: Barkow/Campbell over Locke/Spence Libero: Pralle over Shebesta/DeRosier
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Post by hardworkwins on Nov 29, 2014 15:08:36 GMT -5
Who are the "big guns" that MVC added? I think if you match them up to the Sting playes, advantage goes to Sting at every position. OH: Farrel and Campbell over Roenitz and ? MB: Staddick and ? over Dixon and Rohde OPP: Szews and Sydnor over Spence and ? S: Barkow/Campbell over Locke/Spence Libero: Pralle over Shebesta/DeRosier From what I know the preliminary MVC lineup will be Roenitz and McGillis on the outside Rhode and Dixon in the middle Locke setting Tanner hitting RS Shabesta libero This lineup obviously isn't as powerful as the Sting lineup. Saying this we still don't know how these teams will come together. If the MVC team runs a quick offense and can isolate hitters they have the offense to give Sting a run. I am very interested to see how the Sting 17 team develops if they run a high level quick offense they could really make waves with the athletes they have.
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Post by vballman1234 on Dec 3, 2014 9:49:22 GMT -5
Let's be real, MVC will dominate at all levels except 17s (even that age will be closer than you might think).
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Post by wivolleyball on Dec 3, 2014 13:06:46 GMT -5
Coaching can make a big difference in a players performance but it can only do so much towards winning. Born physical size and strength is still required. Sounds like MVC was able to choose close to two teams outside of 17s with all of the players they wanted. So now the real question is will they be able to do as much with it to represent Wisconsin as when Lightning and MVC had to split it. That will answer the earlier question about is one dominate club better then 2. If they can do better then both lightning and MVC did combined then I guess the answer will be yes. I hope they can.
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Post by hardworkwins on Dec 3, 2014 15:27:13 GMT -5
I think that the MVC 18s will have a huge impact on the future of wisconsin volleyball this year. They are practicing as one 24 man roster until the first qualifier then splitting into two teams. If this works out it could solidify a 1 team system for elite boys volleyball in wisconsin. Seeing how MVC and Lightning did last year we should have a good comparison on how this system works.
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Post by dividedwefall on Dec 3, 2014 15:32:30 GMT -5
I think that the MVC 18s will have a huge impact on the future of wisconsin volleyball this year. They are practicing as one 24 man roster until the first qualifier then splitting into two teams. If this works out it could solidify a 1 team system for elite boys volleyball in wisconsin. Seeing how MVC and Lightning did last year we should have a good comparison on how this system works. yeah until the kids who thought they were going to be playing on a 1s team when they committed to play for mvc find out theyre going to be on a 2s team and get pissed off about it and dont have glowing reviews to give to people who inquire about mvc from them. nothing like messing with a kids head. would not be one bit surprised to see some of those kids quit during the season, as playing club volleyball at 18s is a big time commitment that some may decide isn't worth it if theyre stashed away on a 2s team.
but given the fact that they are in essence combining teams that finished 10th (lightning), 17th (mvc 17-2), and 22nd (mvc 17-1) at 17s last year you would think this team should be making noise for a national title this season. then if that happens I guess it paid off.
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Post by hardworkwins on Dec 3, 2014 16:00:12 GMT -5
I think that the MVC 18s will have a huge impact on the future of wisconsin volleyball this year. They are practicing as one 24 man roster until the first qualifier then splitting into two teams. If this works out it could solidify a 1 team system for elite boys volleyball in wisconsin. Seeing how MVC and Lightning did last year we should have a good comparison on how this system works. yeah until the kids who thought they were going to be playing on a 1s team when they committed to play for mvc find out theyre going to be on a 2s team and get pissed off about it and dont have glowing reviews to give to people who inquire about mvc from them. nothing like messing with a kids head. would not be one bit surprised to see some of those kids quit during the season, as playing club volleyball at 18s is a big time commitment that some may decide isn't worth it if theyre stashed away on a 2s team.
but given the fact that they are in essence combining teams that finished 10th (lightning), 17th (mvc 17-2), and 22nd (mvc 17-1) at 17s last year you would think this team should be making noise for a national title this season. then if that happens I guess it paid off.
Hence the reason I said it will have a big impact. As you pointed out if it dosent work MVC will lose credibility. Personally I believe that grade has the depth to make 2 very good teams. Big risk but could have big reward looking forward to seeing how it plays off.
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Post by vbdadfan on Dec 3, 2014 17:08:09 GMT -5
Perhaps 2 very good teams, but one will be superior to the other. I am troubled that as a player and family you are asked to commit to the club, but the club cannot commit to your place within their program from the start. I have seen this done on the girl's side at the very young levels, but there are lots of bad feelings once the split is made and resentments years later.
I guess, however, everyone knew what they were getting into so it was transparent. Will be interesting to follow developments. Best of luck. Wisconsin needs to make some noise at nationals.
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