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Post by elevationvb on Jun 11, 2015 16:26:05 GMT -5
Why? Because Shook is 6'2"? Allison was 5'11" and a top ten recruit. Kocher, another SPVB kid, was 5'10". What revolutionarily new recruiting decisions is he making at the setter position? Thank you for saying this...I fail to see some revolutionary change in recruiting strategy from Elliott. He's always liked tall athletic girls. Add Jenny Andrew and Ashley Engle to the list of tall setters he recruited. The semifinal jinx/change in recruiting strategy is yet another storyline created in one poster's mind to give him more reason to up his post count. You just can't help yourself.
But you're doing a pretty spiffy job with your post count also. Yes?
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 11, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -5
Makes sense to not allow a transfer to a team you are playing the following season.
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Post by vbprisoner on Jun 11, 2015 16:29:44 GMT -5
Elliot is bringing in probably a top 5 2016 class and a top 2 2017 class. If they don't win a natty in the next 5 years then something is wrong with the coaching not recruiting. haha what a shock another worthless post let me save you the trouble here "texas can't pass". your whole existence on volleytalk is predicated on the fact that "texas can't pass", could you be any more worthless? what a complete DB. grow the hell up. When Texas fails to win a national championship because they cant pass Salima Rockwell would be the answer as coach. You did not think the above comment out at all........
Every Texas fan already knows we have had passing consistency problems the last several years so your you need to bring something new to the table.
How long are you going to be butthurt because Nwanebu left USC and chose Texas?
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 11, 2015 16:30:14 GMT -5
Elliot is bringing in probably a top 5 2016 class and a top 2 2017 class. If they don't win a natty in the next 5 years then something is wrong with the coaching not recruiting. For the top programs, all you can ask and wish for is that your team is able to compete for national championships. As noted previously, there are other factors that come into play.
Texas will be in a great position to continue to compete for national championships. And Elliott is showing with his recruiting decisions that he is determined to get over the hump of the past 2 seasons.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 11, 2015 17:35:48 GMT -5
Elliot is bringing in probably a top 5 2016 class and a top 2 2017 class. If they don't win a natty in the next 5 years then something is wrong with the coaching not recruiting. For the top programs, all you can ask and wish for is that your team is able to compete for national championships. As noted previously, there are other factors that come into play.
Texas will be in a great position to continue to compete for national championships. And Elliott is showing with his recruiting decisions that he is determined to get over the hump of the past 2 seasons. Texas is in a great position to compete for national championships already, just like they've been doing since 2008. How far they go will be determined by a variety of factors as other posters with common sense and the ability to reasonably understand success have pointed out.
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jun 11, 2015 17:41:47 GMT -5
Why? Because Shook is 6'2"? Allison was 5'11" and a top ten recruit. Kocher, another SPVB kid, was 5'10". What revolutionarily new recruiting decisions is he making at the setter position? Thank you for saying this...I fail to see some revolutionary change in recruiting strategy from Elliott. He's always liked tall athletic girls. Add Jenny Andrew and Ashley Engle to the list of tall setters he recruited. The semifinal jinx/change in recruiting strategy is yet another storyline created in one poster's mind to give him more reason to up his post count. I think this is more in reference to Texas seemingly committing to a 5-1 rather than recruiting shorter setters meant for a 6-2. That's what I took it as at least.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 11, 2015 18:44:06 GMT -5
Thank you for saying this...I fail to see some revolutionary change in recruiting strategy from Elliott. He's always liked tall athletic girls. Add Jenny Andrew and Ashley Engle to the list of tall setters he recruited. The semifinal jinx/change in recruiting strategy is yet another storyline created in one poster's mind to give him more reason to up his post count. I think this is more in reference to Texas seemingly committing to a 5-1 rather than recruiting shorter setters meant for a 6-2. That's what I took it as at least. He ran a 6-2 with Allison and Dalton so I don't think you can assume a connection between taller setters and committing to a 5-1. While Allison wasn't amazon tall her blocking was no liability and at 5'11" can't really be considered short.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 11, 2015 18:53:51 GMT -5
When Texas fails to win a national championship because they cant pass Salima Rockwell would be the answer as coach. and how does this improve their passing? Recruiting one for that specific purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 19:13:43 GMT -5
When is the last time a 6-2 team won a national championship?
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jun 11, 2015 20:15:28 GMT -5
I think this is more in reference to Texas seemingly committing to a 5-1 rather than recruiting shorter setters meant for a 6-2. That's what I took it as at least. He ran a 6-2 with Allison and Dalton so I don't think you can assume a connection between taller setters and committing to a 5-1. While Allison wasn't amazon tall her blocking was no liability and at 5'11" can't really be considered short. Well IMO, and this really could just be me, I thought maybe the 6-2 that started out in 2012 was more to get a feel for what hitters needed to be where and get more people playing time than it was a system that he was actually going to run.
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Post by volleyball6 on Jun 11, 2015 20:45:49 GMT -5
A 5-1 is his best bet if he wants to win a national championship. He will have more sucess. All the teams that have won a natty have ran a 5-1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 21:09:53 GMT -5
When is the last time a 6-2 team won a national championship? USC in 2002. They also won in 2003 in a 5-1, though situationally ran a 6-2, but not in the tournament. Nebraska made the final in a 6-2 in 2005, then won in 2006 in a 5-1.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 11, 2015 21:15:46 GMT -5
He ran a 6-2 with Allison and Dalton so I don't think you can assume a connection between taller setters and committing to a 5-1. While Allison wasn't amazon tall her blocking was no liability and at 5'11" can't really be considered short. Well IMO, and this really could just be me, I thought maybe the 6-2 that started out in 2012 was more to get a feel for what hitters needed to be where and get more people playing time than it was a system that he was actually going to run. I think the general idea is a 6-2 gives a lot of girls playing time and let's the staff evaluate them. Settling into a 5-1 usually happens and I'm all for it. If the personnel is there at the beginning of the season, I doubt that will change. Not a fan of it, but we started in a 6-2 in 2012 and won a championship so it has that going for it. I don't think recruiting strategies have changed at all nor have recruiting strategies to fill a particular offense. It is a very successful program recruiting-wise and results-wise. Despite what some posters would like their followers to believe, it's not broken. They've made a national final 1 out of 3 times they've made a final four. Won a national championship 1 out of 2 times they've made the final. For some to come on here and talk about underachieving, a jinx or a hump to get over is either a) very myopic or b) the sign of a poster that just wants to throw crap at a coach/program they don't like to see what might stick.
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 11, 2015 23:51:32 GMT -5
For the top programs, all you can ask and wish for is that your team is able to compete for national championships. As noted previously, there are other factors that come into play.
Texas will be in a great position to continue to compete for national championships. And Elliott is showing with his recruiting decisions that he is determined to get over the hump of the past 2 seasons. Texas is in a great position to compete for national championships already, just like they've been doing since 2008. How far they go will be determined by a variety of factors as other posters with common sense and the ability to reasonably understand success have pointed out. Uhh thank you. See when I use the word "continue" that means they are already competing for national championships. Now they are trying to get over the "hump" that has bee apparent to most after being upset the past 2 seasons in matches they were favored to win. Good coaches / programs accomplish that by assessing and making the necessary adjustments. Those adjustments can be strategic; they can be personnel related. Sometimes both.
Now you & some others may think it's just a coincidence that Elliott is bringing into the program players with size like let's say a Carlini, but some of us with zero "common sense" recognize the key recruiting decisions being made to get over that hump.
Kudos to Elliott. He's demonstrated he's not satisfied with that one national championship in '12.
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 12, 2015 0:25:16 GMT -5
He ran a 6-2 with Allison and Dalton so I don't think you can assume a connection between taller setters and committing to a 5-1. While Allison wasn't amazon tall her blocking was no liability and at 5'11" can't really be considered short. Well IMO, and this really could just be me, I thought maybe the 6-2 that started out in 2012 was more to get a feel for what hitters needed to be where and get more people playing time than it was a system that he was actually going to run. It's not just you. Go back to posts during that time period and you will read the same discussion that has been going on the past several years about Elliott and the 6-2. For example, in '12 and '13 he experimented with the 6-2 early on before settling on Allison as most of us as expert fans advocated. In '14, we wondered how long he would continue with the 6-2 before going back to the 5-1. It didn't happen. Why not? Dalton not being 100% healthy? Collins being effective as a back row setter? Having too much fire power on the bench? Maybe a combination of each? '15 is a challenge primarily because of the questions regarding Dalton's health, but also because of Collins' height, imo. I'm confident as a person with vast volleyball expertise that Elliott prefers to run a 6-2 unless Dalton isn't ready to go. If the team has to run a 5-1 with Collins, we need to hope for 2 things: 1) that Collins can stay healthy and 2)the team can rally and play consistently at a high level like Penn State did behind Carpenter. But, this Texas team is not the same talent wise as that Penn State team. My opinion continues to be that '15 will be a transition year for the program. I feel more optimistic because of what I'm reading here about Ebony. But if we have to play the season with one setter, the challenge will be that much greater and everything will have to fall into place.
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