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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 20:13:32 GMT -5
The partial tear in her hamstring was sustained during preseason before her freshman year started, not at the end. She was 100% (as close to 100% as possible for these kids in December) at the end. Regardless, even an injured Carlini is your very best option to win matches. If it wasn't, you would've seen Thomas set the rest of the PSU match. He can't keep her off the floor. He tried against Rutgers and couldn't. A player of her caliber shouldn't come off anyway. The reason Thomas wasn't setting was less related to Lauren's setting at that time and more related to Courtney's prowess as a RS player. No one else had as much as sniffed the court at RS last year. Courtney was a huge reason for our success. Yes, Lauren was even good injured, but don't fool yourself as to the reason she stayed on the court. She wasn't moving, blocking, playing defense and getting balls to position after the injury. She was still getting to balls, squaring up, forcing the middle, setting against the flow, etc. after the injury. She wasn't nearly as good, but she wasn't the black hole you're suggesting. Regardless of the reason, Carlini, even slightly banged up, is Wisconsin's best option to win. If Carlini wasn't the best option for Wisconsin to beat PSU, even injured, you would've seen Wisconsin leave Jules in, or start the second with Juley - regardless of Thomas (who was as effective as she was because of who her setter was). That's all I'm saying. An injured Carlini is still better than 90% of the setters out there. Sheffield didn't risk further damage to Lauren's ankle unless her touching the ball on every play was their best shot. He made the right choice. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 25, 2015 21:40:11 GMT -5
I don't think Sporty Bucky was saying she was a black hole. But it is also not true that it was obvious at the moment what the best thing to do was. Even in retrospect one can wonder. UW won that first set largely on the strength of the fight back with Thomas setting. Maybe it was because PSU had not really prepared for that situation, or the badgers just banded together under fire. Maybe PSU would have figured out that setup or the badgers would have run out of steam. I dunno. I also didn't want to lose Court's attacking.
But I was there, and I definitely had misgivings about Carlini coming back after seeing the pain she was in up close. It became clear pretty quickly that she was having a hard time serving. The defence that is normally a strong suit of hers was a problem with the injury. In the end, the badgers lost the other sets in large part because Hancock got the serve toward the end of each and the badger passers, who were spectacular most of the night, could not pass Hancock well enough at those moments to give an injured Carlini a good chance. No shame in that, but the injury really affected those key moments. There were a number of passes that were normally good enough for Lauren to turn into a killer set, but she just couldn't get to them.
Her setting was still damn good, largely because the passers were almost handing her the ball. She blocked pretty well considering, too. She was the definition of guts out there. In the end I think that warrior mentality played just as big a role in Sheffs decision to play her as anything else. She felt responsible to the seniors. She was preparing most of the year for that rematch. She might go ballistic if you kept her off in that situation!
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 25, 2015 21:44:54 GMT -5
I have a feeling, seeing how the last two seasons have gone, that Sheff may try to spell LC a little bit more if he can get Hannah into the mix. I realize LC is all-world, absolutely, but she has broken down a bit at the end of both seasons. She was carrying an injury into the PSU regional that was unrelated to the injury she got by falling on Frantti's foot. And she had a partially torn hammy toward the end of her freshman season. The question is whether he can keep her off. She does not go quietly into the night. Her personality on the court is really influential as well. The partial tear in her hamstring was sustained during preseason before her freshman year started, not at the end. She was 100% (as close to 100% as possible for these kids in December) at the end. Regardless, even an injured Carlini is your very best option to win matches. If it wasn't, you would've seen Thomas set the rest of the PSU match. He can't keep her off the floor. He tried against Rutgers and couldn't. A player of her caliber shouldn't come off anyway. According to Sheff, Lauren and Anne Marie were basically walking wounded at the end of the season, and I distinctly remember him mentioning it at the time of the final four. Maybe the hammy was OK, but some thing was bugging her, unless you think Sheff was playing a little gamesmanship. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 26, 2015 3:10:50 GMT -5
My lord, you guys are worrying too much. You guys are bringing in the best freshman class in the country with correct me if I'm wrong 2 top ten players. You return the Baby Jesus of volleyball herself, and bring in some talented role players from last year. Yes you lost some VERY VERY good players, but your restocking your team with gold. I don't expect you to beat PSU or nebraska, but you're definitely going to be fighting for third in conference and you certainly have the talent to do so, and in the big ten, thats good. Long story short, as LONG as you have lauren carlini on your team, the badgers will be doing great. I really respect the heck out of Nebraska and they'll be a beast for years with Holman, Foecke, etc., but they really need some strong leadership for the 2015-2016 season because they were really lacking last year (judgment based only off the Wisconsin and BYU games, but those were pretty telling). The most exciting thing about Wisconsin bringing in so many freshman + Kriskova is that nobody knows how the season will go. PSU's 2014 season was real nice given the new talent, but how many people were expecting them to win the championship? I agree, having Lauren will most likely make this transition much nicer, but sky's the limit with this group. I agree chemistry will be a HUGE issue come next year, but I've spoken to several husker fans, who have spoken to parents, players and cook, and they've said that the "drama" ( we all know who it is) will not be tolerated next year, and if it continues certain players won't be seeing the floor much. Cook does not want a repeat on 2007. But this isn't a nebraska thread, so lets not get derailed. Best of luck to the badgers next year. I want them to come to Hawaii before carlini graduates. It would be a heck of a match. Two teams that rely on floor defense to win. |
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Post by bballnut90 on Feb 26, 2015 4:00:58 GMT -5
Losing Juley hurts team morale but overall doesn't impact the potential of Wisconsin next season. Anyone who is worried that Wisconsin will go 10-10 is delusional. As great as Thomas was last year along with Thompson/Chapman/Morales, people are quick to forget that this senior class didn't make the tournament their first two seasons and were bottom dwellers in the Big Ten. Wisconsin has an unbelievable coach in Sheff, the most talented setter that has come through college volleyball in quite some time, arguably the nation's best libero and the #1 recruiting class coming in that should fill all voids left by graduating players. Carlini was able to lead Wisconsin to a title game appearance with a 5-7 outside, a 5-11 middle and a setter coverted rightside hitter. Now she has top 10 recruits filling in at those positions and ample depth on the pins and in the middle. Wisconsin's lineup could be:
S-Carlni
OH-Duello (#9 recruit), Bates
RS-Kriskova/Morgan (#12 recruit)
MB-Williams (#6 recruit), Nelson
L-Morey
I think with their setter/libero/middle/outside coming back, they actually should have an easier time adjusting to new players in new positions than Penn State will having to break in 2 new backrow defenders and a brand new setter and middle. I'm sure Penn State will be fine...but Wisconsin will be as well.
In regards to should Juley redshirt next season. I'd assume she'll redshirt either this year or next with Carlini running the show. They should plan to redshirt her and utilize her if necessary, but Carlini will not come out if she's healthy, and Juley will only see action if Carlini is hurt. Juley is in a hard spot though, as she has no chance to play over Carlini the next two seasons, and then she has to compete with Hilley who most people expect to beat out Hannah for the starting position. Not sure what her role will be or if she'll see much action while at Wisconsin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 4:17:18 GMT -5
Agreed. I'll be very surprised if Hannah Juley ever plays significant minutes for Wisconsin.
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Post by SportyBucky on Feb 26, 2015 9:20:19 GMT -5
The reason Thomas wasn't setting was less related to Lauren's setting at that time and more related to Courtney's prowess as a RS player. No one else had as much as sniffed the court at RS last year. Courtney was a huge reason for our success. Yes, Lauren was even good injured, but don't fool yourself as to the reason she stayed on the court. She wasn't moving, blocking, playing defense and getting balls to position after the injury. She was still getting to balls, squaring up, forcing the middle, setting against the flow, etc. after the injury. She wasn't nearly as good, but she wasn't the black hole you're suggesting. Regardless of the reason, Carlini, even slightly banged up, is Wisconsin's best option to win. If Carlini wasn't the best option for Wisconsin to beat PSU, even injured, you would've seen Wisconsin leave Jules in, or start the second with Juley - regardless of Thomas (who was as effective as she was because of who her setter was). That's all I'm saying. An injured Carlini is still better than 90% of the setters out there. Sheffield didn't risk further damage to Lauren's ankle unless her touching the ball on every play was their best shot. He made the right choice. She was bump setting many balls she'd normally get under. She wasn't jumping and pulling a block. She wasn't blocking. She wasn't covering the floor on defense. Not sure what these is here to argue about. I would have kept Carlini in as well but it wasn't because she was the best option because of her setting; she was the best option because no one else played with the first team, Thomas was our go-to hitter, no setter had match experience, etc... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 4:17:45 GMT -5
She was still getting to balls, squaring up, forcing the middle, setting against the flow, etc. after the injury. She wasn't nearly as good, but she wasn't the black hole you're suggesting. Regardless of the reason, Carlini, even slightly banged up, is Wisconsin's best option to win. If Carlini wasn't the best option for Wisconsin to beat PSU, even injured, you would've seen Wisconsin leave Jules in, or start the second with Juley - regardless of Thomas (who was as effective as she was because of who her setter was). That's all I'm saying. An injured Carlini is still better than 90% of the setters out there. Sheffield didn't risk further damage to Lauren's ankle unless her touching the ball on every play was their best shot. He made the right choice. She was bump setting many balls she'd normally get under. She wasn't jumping and pulling a block. She wasn't blocking. She wasn't covering the floor on defense. Not sure what these is here to argue about. I would have kept Carlini in as well but it wasn't because she was the best option because of her setting; she was the best option because no one else played with the first team, Thomas was our go-to hitter, no setter had match experience, etc... We can agree to disagree. Carlini still played a hell of a match with one ankle, and contributed way, way more than you suggest. Thomas was able to be effective because of her setter, not the other way around. Also, Carlini finished with 10 digs and 3 blocks, all in the last three sets... Regardless, Carlini's performance had nothing to do with Wisconsin losing the match. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Feb 27, 2015 8:53:36 GMT -5
She was bump setting many balls she'd normally get under. She wasn't jumping and pulling a block. She wasn't blocking. She wasn't covering the floor on defense. Not sure what these is here to argue about. I would have kept Carlini in as well but it wasn't because she was the best option because of her setting; she was the best option because no one else played with the first team, Thomas was our go-to hitter, no setter had match experience, etc... We can agree to disagree. Carlini still played a hell of a match with one ankle, and contributed way, way more than you suggest. Thomas was able to be effective because of her setter, not the other way around. Also, Carlini finished with 10 digs and 3 blocks, all in the last three sets... Regardless, Carlini's performance had nothing to do with Wisconsin losing the match. We'll disagree on that. With a healthy Carlini, match would have played out differently...slightly closer, more games, in my opinion. I attribute that directly to Carlini's injury. I am not saying another setter would have produced a different result than Carlini. I am saying they may have played a more complete game than an injured Carlini. Just too many other moving parts to tinker with the most important part, particularly when the new part was untested. I rest my case. |
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Post by bucky415 on Feb 27, 2015 11:47:41 GMT -5
One thing that is clear is that Carlini didn't have her normal serve after her injury, which was a huge weapon for the Badgers in that strong rotation last year. That is one thing that haunts me about the second PSU match: the missed serves. When they got the serves in, they were able to get some disruption, unlike in the first match, but they just missed way too many to beat an elite team. You have to go for it, but the execution wasn't great.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 13:34:53 GMT -5
We can agree to disagree. Carlini still played a hell of a match with one ankle, and contributed way, way more than you suggest. Thomas was able to be effective because of her setter, not the other way around. Also, Carlini finished with 10 digs and 3 blocks, all in the last three sets... Regardless, Carlini's performance had nothing to do with Wisconsin losing the match. We'll disagree on that. With a healthy Carlini, match would have played out differently...slightly closer, more games, in my opinion. I attribute that directly to Carlini's injury. I am not saying another setter would have produced a different result than Carlini. I am saying they may have played a more complete game than an injured Carlini. Just too many other moving parts to tinker with the most important part, particularly when the new part was untested. I rest my case. Chapman, Morales, and Nelson never showed up. Their performance was the reason Wisconsin lost. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 27, 2015 16:28:33 GMT -5
Enough about the past. Let's look to the future.
Congrats to Madison Duello and Julia Saunders for earning Honorable Mention on the PrepVolleyball.com list of HS Academic All-Americans.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 27, 2015 17:20:42 GMT -5
Also congrats to all the Future Badgers who made the PrepVolleyball.com list of HS All-Americans. Note that this list is based on high school performance, not club performance or potential college impact.
2015s: Madison Duello, Amber MacDonald, Tionna Williams (AA), Hannah Juley (Highest HM), Julia Saunders (Special Mention)
2016s: M.E Dodge (AA)
2017s: Sydney Hilley, Mariah Whalen (AA), Grace Loberg (Special Mention)
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Feb 27, 2015 18:55:26 GMT -5
Also congrats to all the Future Badgers who made the PrepVolleyball.com list of HS All-Americans. Note that this list is based on high school performance, not club performance or potential college impact. 2015s: Madison Duello, Amber MacDonald, Tionna Williams (AA), Hannah Juley (Highest HM), Julia Saunders (Special Mention) 2016s: M.E Dodge (AA) 2017s: Sydney Hilley, Mariah Whalen (AA), Grace Loberg (Special Mention) It's a shame Morgan was hurt all season; woulda been nice to see her career honored. Oh, well. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Feb 28, 2015 9:41:34 GMT -5
Preconference schedule announced! Weekend 1 (Madison): Badger Invitational, hosting Western Kentucky, Colgate, and College of Charleston. Weekend 2 (Louisville): B1G/ACC Challenge, playing Louisville and North Carolina. Weekend 3 (Madison): Badger Alumni Invitational, hosting Georgia, Kent State, and Georgetown. Weekend 4 (Omaha): Creighton Invitational, playing Creighton, Arkansas, and Kansas State. m.host.madison.com/sports/college/volleyball/badgers-volleyball-uw-will-face-four-ncaa-tournament-teams-in/article_6e058194-6ace-50b2-8c43-c6acb31d46bd.html?mobile_touch=trueNotre Dame is no longer in the B1G/ACC event. North Carolina replaces them. We did pull out of the B1G/Pac-12 tourney, with Sheffield citing lingering uncertainties about the conference schedule. Apparently the B1G coaches could not agree on a conference season schedule format, so the ADs will decide. Sheff had some choice words about Cook's comments re: last season's schedule. Discuss! |
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