MIVA Tournament

[Midwest12]

I am hearing rumors about the refereeing in Chicago. I would like to get some other people's viewpoints about what happened.

[fanthe game]

I was at the games and the reffing for the IPFW/ Lewis match was horrible. I can't believe all of the home calls. Every ball Ptak hit was O.T. and was touched, but there was no call, EVER. Don't get me wrong, lewis is the better team and should of won, but the officiating was disgusting.

[Billy Boy]

The female line judge they had is a student at Lewis and plays for the women's team. Not to mention she has tagged over half of the men's team . She was there on Saturday after they won, on the main floor celebrating with them. She was brutal in both semi-final matches.

[che]

Let me tell you about the refs. The down ref (a short lady) was dumb enough to go over to the Lewis bench and high-five the players as well as the coach between games 2 and 3. This of course was reported and she went home crying right after the match. Sucks for her but she'll never ref a game again......

btw thanks for the support from people for our team....much appreciated

[Piglet]

Bad refs/good refs...don't matter. Lewis out played IPFW and smoked Loyola. They earned the MIVA Championship.

[Midwest12]

I disagree, bad ref/good ref does matter
What if it was close, like the game between Loyola and Ball State.
And why would Chicago want to represent itself with such a poor example of refs. Can you really tell me that those refs are the best that was to come out of Chicago? That would be a crying shame if it was.

[vball710]

listen, i was at the semifinal games, and while the one line judge made a couple of bad calls, they didn't have much impact on the outcome of the game. The up and down refs did a good job calling things fairly, and i didn't see the down ref go over and high-five the players as well as the coach between games two and three and i was sitting right behind the benches. I watched Ptak wail balls off the back wall, untouched. He gets so high that he was hitting over the block, just not putting it down. And of course the line judge is going to be celebrating her team's conference win, but in my opinion she did not make that many brutal calls. I'll agree that there were a couple that i didn't agree with, but they weren't enough to affect the game.

[Unbiased]

I only saw the Loyola/Ball State game, but the up ref had no hesitation in over ruling the line judges.

As to friendships ... the same refs work for the same teams year after year, not only at Lewis, but everywhere in the MIVA. If I go to a game at Lewis, I know who the refs are going to be. Same at Loyola and at the various NAIA schools in the area. Top referees are few and far between. As a whole, the reffing in the midwest is pretty good.

If Ptak boosters are crying ... TS. Your boy didn't show up against Lewis - again. Reffing had nothing to do with it.

[Midwest12]

This thread has nothing to do with who won and who lost, nor how Ptak played. Yes I was disappointed that IPFW didn't show up.

This thread was meant to determine whether there was good refereeing and if they were professional.

I attended the Ohio State-IPFW game the previous weekend. I saw two women refereeing and was very disturbed by it becuase these two women were not qualified to ref at this level. I am for equality yet I want qualified refs at this level of competition.

[Unbiased]

If I'm not mistaken, all of the refs used by MIVA at Lewis are at least USAV National refs. That's about as good as you will find anywhere.

As to your crack about women not being able to ref at this level - I guess their pretty little heads don't work quickly enough, or don't their baby blue eyes see things as clearly? That was among the stupidest comments I've read on this board.

[Midwest12]

Okay you really need to learn how to read after making that last comment.
I said, and I will repeat, "that I saw two women refereeing and was very disturbed by it becuase these two women were not qualified to ref at this level. I am for equality yet I want qualified refs at this level of competition."

I am a woman and I would love for women to be able to ref at the men's highest level of playing yet I do not want women getting the job just because they are women. I WANT QUALIFIED REFS!! I cringe when I see women in the athletic world whether it is coaching or refing that are not there becuase of their skill yet there just because they are women trying to make a statement.

[halesvb11]

wow. im glad you have your head on straight. and since you do, im going to ask you how you feel about title ix.
take the question however you want, and i know its off topic, but based on your previous post i wanna know what you have to say about the issue

[Midwest12]

I think title IX is hurting athletics at the college level. I think it needs to be updated to the new century. I think women needed it back in the 70's and 80's but now I think it is going to the other extreme.

I think all women athletes just want to be given the same opportunities as men are given. I think if men's basketball gets 12 scholarhsips than women's basketball should get the same. Same goes with men's and women's volleyball.

Problem with that idea is that football has no women's sport to counter with. I don't have a solution for that...but I am sure someone does.

[Unbiased]

I am a woman and I would love for women to be able to ref at the men's highest level of playing yet I do not want women getting the job just because they are women. I WANT QUALIFIED REFS!! I cringe when I see women in the athletic world whether it is coaching or refing that are not there becuase of their skill yet there just because they are women trying to make a statement. [/quote]

[Unbiased]

Sorry, I hit me send key too quickly.

Midwest12, I'm sorry of I read your message incorrectly or took it out of context. However, you were the one who mentioned women refs several times in your comments. If you truly were commenting only on qualifications and ability, why did you bring up gender at all?

This thread included comments about a female line judge who "worked her way through" most of Lewis's team, as well as comments about little women refs "balling their eyes out".

Did I jump to a sexist interpretation? Yes I did. If I offended you, I apologize. There is way too much sexism in volleyball, with women players and coaches afraid to support changes to Title IX which would help men's volleyball because of some misguided feminism. At the same time, there is also overt sexism from male players, coaches and referees toward women who dare coach or ref in the guys game. Neither of these is helpful to those who want to see both the men's and women's game flourish and prosper at all levels.