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Post by Northern lights on May 15, 2016 12:59:18 GMT -5
ALL of the USA Volleyball's programs are a complete scam/money maker. They DO NOT care about the players! I have first hand experience with them over a number of years and I always hoped things would change BUT they haven't. HP and everything else are simply money makers for the national team. There are a FEW ok people in the system like Heath Hoke but overall, the level of ego and sense of "You are lucky to be apart of USA Volleyball" has not changed in my 8 years of off and on involvement. It appears it may never change. Do yourself and your kid a favor and stay clear! Tell that to Kim Hill who was 'discovered' at the tryout and was just named the MVP of the second most important volleyball tournament in the world. Not sure 6-4 OH like Hill are discovered as much as they just walk in to the gym. Also not agreeing with Wannabe, her kid probably got cut. There is nothing wrong with playing hi level ball, with good players and decent coaches, if you can not afford it then stay home. Trust me if your built like Kim Hill they will find you.
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Post by norcal on May 15, 2016 15:05:22 GMT -5
Does USA HP programs have funds available to those athlete's deemed with the highest ceiling? Is their state or federal funding, Maybe a future Olympian program? Yes. The national team players, starting with Youth team are funded.
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Post by silverbullet on May 15, 2016 18:28:48 GMT -5
Is carding/funding based on need? Or is it provided regardless?
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Post by norcal on May 15, 2016 20:44:37 GMT -5
Is carding/funding based on need? Or is it provided regardless? Regardless. That is the deal. You have made the national team. Starting with Youth team. You are the 12 girls representing USA internationally. It is a big deal. Should be very proud.
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Post by sandman32 on May 16, 2016 8:24:52 GMT -5
Historically there are a lot of new kids who are very talented that tryout at this age level, which leads to a lot of people like wannabe who are disillusioned with their child's offered program. Plus it gets harder and harder to get offered a spot year after year no matter how many people drop out. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of kids who try out at the Select and Youth age groups. These two divisions receive the most kids at try-outs. You always hear the rumors of politics having a role in the selections, but the top kids in my eyes are generally also the top kids in the program. It will be interested to see who was offered a spot at the tryout. There are many of us who know this group inside and out. I'm sure there will be some selection drama.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 10:22:41 GMT -5
Historically there are a lot of new kids who are very talented that tryout at this age level, which leads to a lot of people like wannabe who are disillusioned with their child's offered program. Plus it gets harder and harder to get offered a spot year after year no matter how many people drop out. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of kids who try out at the Select and Youth age groups. These two divisions receive the most kids at try-outs. You always hear the rumors of politics having a role in the selections, but the top kids in my eyes are generally also the top kids in the program. It will be interested to see who was offered a spot at the tryout. There are many of us who know this group inside and out. I'm sure there will be some selection drama. As someone who has worked a whole bunch of HP stuff--I can tell you that I have no idea who I rated highly. There's not enough time. I put the evaluations next to a name and uniform #. I don't know names. There are kids who have been through the process in past years--their rating is listed. You can upgrade or downgrade them, but you point out that you 'want' to do that to the site director/coach director--to see if there is a consensus. If people want to complain about coaches and HP--to me it is the coaches who say they will be there, confirm they will be there, and then don't show. HP wants a certain coach:player ratio and having coaches no-show adds a lot of stress to the entire process, especially if there are a bunch of novice coaches volunteering to work a tryout.
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Post by sandman32 on May 16, 2016 11:02:23 GMT -5
Historically there are a lot of new kids who are very talented that tryout at this age level, which leads to a lot of people like wannabe who are disillusioned with their child's offered program. Plus it gets harder and harder to get offered a spot year after year no matter how many people drop out. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of kids who try out at the Select and Youth age groups. These two divisions receive the most kids at try-outs. You always hear the rumors of politics having a role in the selections, but the top kids in my eyes are generally also the top kids in the program. It will be interested to see who was offered a spot at the tryout. There are many of us who know this group inside and out. I'm sure there will be some selection drama. As someone who has worked a whole bunch of HP stuff--I can tell you that I have no idea who I rated highly. There's not enough time. I put the evaluations next to a name and uniform #. I don't know names. There are kids who have been through the process in past years--their rating is listed. You can upgrade or downgrade them, but you point out that you 'want' to do that to the site director/coach director--to see if there is a consensus. If people want to complain about coaches and HP--to me it is the coaches who say they will be there, confirm they will be there, and then don't show. HP wants a certain coach:player ratio and having coaches no-show adds a lot of stress to the entire process, especially if there are a bunch of novice coaches volunteering to work a tryout. Interesting... I wonder how often kids get upgraded and how many times evaluators go along with previous ratings.
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Post by ciscokeed on May 16, 2016 11:34:26 GMT -5
The benefits of HP vary so much according to the talent level of the kids. If you are an elite player it offers a lot. If you are average then you are merely helping fund our national teams- which isn't a bad thing. The competitions are a blast. I love that guys and girls are competing at the same time- it creates a wonderful atmosphere. But I guess it is like all things club related. The better the level of player you are the more you get out of it. The worse your level is the more of a fund raiser you are
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 14:00:25 GMT -5
As someone who has worked a whole bunch of HP stuff--I can tell you that I have no idea who I rated highly. There's not enough time. I put the evaluations next to a name and uniform #. I don't know names. There are kids who have been through the process in past years--their rating is listed. You can upgrade or downgrade them, but you point out that you 'want' to do that to the site director/coach director--to see if there is a consensus. If people want to complain about coaches and HP--to me it is the coaches who say they will be there, confirm they will be there, and then don't show. HP wants a certain coach:player ratio and having coaches no-show adds a lot of stress to the entire process, especially if there are a bunch of novice coaches volunteering to work a tryout. Interesting... I wonder how often kids get upgraded and how many times evaluators go along with previous ratings. That I don't know. Sometimes it may be a regional thing--some kids may be great from the perspective of their region and the coaches who are in that area...but aren't great when compared to the best that Chicago or a Dallas has. I've also seen kids who play at the top levels go into tryouts and coast--because they've had their coaches tell them "You already got a rating, you're safe, this is a formality"---and it's not. I've had a Big Ten coach tell me I needed to rate a kid higher because she'd committed to his school (I didn't). I've seen parents walk out on the courts during physical testing to tell coaches how to run the tryout. ...nothing is perfect. * * * As for someone else's comment--kids who are not at the National Team level aren't just for fundraising. That demeans the work those kids do as well as the coaches who choose/prefer to work with those kids. If you think you're being used as a cash-source, then don't tryout, don't go to one of the camps. Or you weren't selected to coach with Karch or Stone, etc...and anything less than Rio is below you.
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Post by sandman32 on May 16, 2016 14:25:33 GMT -5
Interesting... I wonder how often kids get upgraded and how many times evaluators go along with previous ratings. That I don't know. Sometimes it may be a regional thing--some kids may be great from the perspective of their region and the coaches who are in that area...but aren't great when compared to the best that Chicago or a Dallas has. I've also seen kids who play at the top levels go into tryouts and coast--because they've had their coaches tell them "You already got a rating, you're safe, this is a formality"---and it's not. I've had a Big Ten coach tell me I needed to rate a kid higher because she'd committed to his school (I didn't). I've seen parents walk out on the courts during physical testing to tell coaches how to run the tryout. ...nothing is perfect. * * * As for someone else's comment--kids who are not at the National Team level aren't just for fundraising. That demeans the work those kids do as well as the coaches who choose/prefer to work with those kids. If you think you're being used as a cash-source, then don't tryout, don't go to one of the camps. Or you weren't selected to coach with Karch or Stone, etc...and anything less than Rio is below you. If you go back and look at where the kids came from on the last cycles two YNT's I think folks would be shocked. Not all of the top A1 kids make the YNT tryouts, and some kids from lower programs get elevated.
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Post by norcal on May 16, 2016 21:52:41 GMT -5
As someone who has worked a whole bunch of HP stuff--I can tell you that I have no idea who I rated highly. There's not enough time. I put the evaluations next to a name and uniform #. I don't know names. There are kids who have been through the process in past years--their rating is listed. You can upgrade or downgrade them, but you point out that you 'want' to do that to the site director/coach director--to see if there is a consensus. That is very insightful. That is inside knowledge. Explains a lot. Already partly filtered prior to the tryouts.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 0:03:43 GMT -5
As someone who has worked a whole bunch of HP stuff--I can tell you that I have no idea who I rated highly. There's not enough time. I put the evaluations next to a name and uniform #. I don't know names. There are kids who have been through the process in past years--their rating is listed. You can upgrade or downgrade them, but you point out that you 'want' to do that to the site director/coach director--to see if there is a consensus. That is very insightful. That is inside knowledge. Explains a lot. Already partly filtered prior to the tryouts. And--it's not there to create bias, I don't think. I think for coaches without a ton of HP experience, it gives a good quick guideline (hopefully) for what you are seeing. If I'm trying to run a pro team and a farm system--which is what this is...I want to know which kids are progressing--who's getting better, who has plateaued. And the evaluations aren't just a single number...they break things down a zillion different ways, so that if someone with the NT/HP program wanted to, they could call up all "5" rated hitters born in 2002 who ran a shuttle time in under 6 seconds who scored 5s in hitting/blocking/serve-receive but only a 4 in digging and which of those kids improved from the year before. It's a good program--and you'll see people complain, but as others have noted--usually because their personal favorite didn't get the rating they believe in...and they don't have alternative solutions for evaluating 5,000 kids across 50 states, either.
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Post by sandman32 on May 17, 2016 7:58:23 GMT -5
I've also heard that they send evaluators to National Qualifiers to see if they can find talent which has not entered the pipeline. It would be easy to do by Youth year if this is the case. They have enough data on the top kids in their program to easily create a baseline for any additional prospects.
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Post by jma1968 on May 17, 2016 8:06:32 GMT -5
When do they announce who made what? The players themselves (at least as most age divisions, including Youth and Junior) have received their invitations / notifications. They are supposed to respond pretty much immediately, and most do. Then there is the process of accepting (or not) and rolling the alternate invitations down the priority chain. That is happening now. The results will not be posted for the rest of us to enjoy until after this completes. If you want to see last year's, see: www.teamusa.org/USA-Volleyball/High-Performance/HP-Indoor/HP-Programs-and-Events/Rosters
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Post by Longhorn20 on May 17, 2016 12:48:02 GMT -5
When do they announce who made what? The players themselves (at least as most age divisions, including Youth and Junior) have received their invitations / notifications. They are supposed to respond pretty much immediately, and most do. Then there is the process of accepting (or not) and rolling the alternate invitations down the priority chain. That is happening now. The results will not be posted for the rest of us to enjoy until after this completes. If you want to see last year's, see: www.teamusa.org/USA-Volleyball/High-Performance/HP-Indoor/HP-Programs-and-Events/RostersSo if I read that right, Freshman ('19) and Sophomores ('18) will make up the Youth team and Juniors ('17) and Seniors ('18) will make up the Junior team, correct?
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