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Post by volleymom1532 on Jul 1, 2015 15:31:22 GMT -5
That is great that some many volleyball kids have parents that are well enough to supply their kids with extra money the year. But there are many football/basketball players who are talented enough to get the full ride but who don't have parents sending them $$ because they are struggling. These athletes can't really be expected to hold down jobs to earn the extra money to get them buy throughout the year. I am sure when they were deciding on giving kids COA money, they weren't thinking about the fortunate volleyball families who can afford to put their kids in private clubs and travel all over the country going to tournaments. You just might want to think about someone other than yourself and your situation. Just saying. By the way, I am also one of those volleyball parents who could afford club and has a top school D1 volleyball player.
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Post by volleymom1532 on Jul 1, 2015 15:39:09 GMT -5
You did not read my post very closely. There is nothing these kids need that is not provided by the school. Room and board, tuition and books. Do they maybe want a pizza now and again? Perhaps, but they do not need it. They are still way better off than other poor and middle class kids who struggle to make ends meet. I am tired of hearing that they deserve more. They do not.
And the student athletes can get a job. My daughter has a job to pay for the extras. She works when she comes home for Christmas, she works a couple of days at Thanksgving and she works during the summer. University of Michigan's football coach is encouraging his players to get a job. So you can't tell me these kids can't get a job for the extras because they can. And seriously $400-500 a month extra in spending money. That is a lot of money.
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Post by jcvb on Jul 1, 2015 15:39:13 GMT -5
I'm curious how some of this is working with Title IX stuff. For instance, NDSU is paying $3500 per athlete, but only for football, men's and women's basketball (according to the first post on this thread). How can that possibly be Title IX compliant? Since that's roughly weighted 100:15 toward the guys. (Note: Forgive me if the answer is already in the thread. I'm ADD...read the first and last pages, skipped over the rest.)
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Post by Vballin on Jul 1, 2015 22:55:48 GMT -5
You did not read my post very closely. There is nothing these kids need that is not provided by the school. Room and board, tuition and books. Do they maybe want a pizza now and again? Perhaps, but they do not need it. They are still way better off than other poor and middle class kids who struggle to make ends meet. I am tired of hearing that they deserve more. They do not. And the student athletes can get a job. My daughter has a job to pay for the extras. She works when she comes home for Christmas, she works a couple of days at Thanksgving and she works during the summer. University of Michigan's football coach is encouraging his players to get a job. So you can't tell me these kids can't get a job for the extras because they can. And seriously $400-500 a month extra in spending money. That is a lot of money. Read it very well. Just don't agree with you. Simple as that.
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Post by vballwest on Jul 2, 2015 9:42:46 GMT -5
There is nothing these kids need that is not provided by the school. Room and board, tuition and books. And the student athletes can get a job. My daughter has a job to pay for the extras. She works when she comes home for Christmas, she works a couple of days at Thanksgving and she works during the summer. I'm wondering how the "Cost of Attendance" provisions will influence commitment decisions outside of the Power 5 conferences.
Offers from multiple schools ranked 50-70 -- some offers include "cost of attendance -- some do not.
I hope families DO consider the "needs" of athletes beyond Room & Board, tuition, and books.
Competent Athletic Trainers & Strength/Conditioning Coaching Academic Advocacy -- uphold high academic standards and intervene when necessary Nutrition
Knowing that many athletic budgets are tight, will there be cost cuts in these areas in order to offer cash stipends?
The needs in these areas are real. D1 volleyball players might be given extra cash AND find themselves at a team meal where the more nutritional choices are "over the limit".
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Post by zenyada on Jul 2, 2015 17:13:13 GMT -5
Is the idea that most scholarship athletes are spending $2500-$6000 of their own money right now? Airfare and food, mostly? I think the only investment we have made so far for our DD attending a private university on volleyball scholarship was buying her a dorm fridge and a TV for her suite, and the typical dorm accessories. Every administrative fee associated with applying and registering for classes was taken care of, and her books are ordered for her. She eats a lot and eats well with high quality on-campus food, and has not needed extra money for that. In preseason, she was given a food stipend that covered what she ate. The only additional thing her teammates would be spending money on would be airfare to school, but even that wouldn't be that much, unless they travel from Canada or across the country. I can see that football and basketball players eat a ton of food multiple times a day. But does the average volleyball player actually need a COA award in the thousands? I am genuinely curious. (If mine got the extra money, it would be like getting a big birthday present of cash that she would be thrilled with - woo hoo, new clothes! - but wouldn't be necessary.) For 99% of athletes, it means exactly that - new clothes and a new phone. Just catching up on this topic, so forgive me for coming in a bit late on this, but not sure I agree with this 99% figure. Airfares have gone up dramatically, and we're putting together a travel budget for holidays and to-and-from school travel for a west coast athlete attending an east coast school and the amount is significant. When I look at east coast volleyball rosters, I'm not coming up with a 99% figure. Many of these young women attend schools that are far from home. This of course is not exclusive to west coast-east coast.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 2, 2015 18:39:53 GMT -5
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Post by foodforthought on Aug 19, 2015 20:44:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 15:31:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know if laundry is covered under COA or is that still considered a personal expense?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 25, 2015 16:24:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know if laundry is covered under COA or is that still considered a personal expense? Personal expenses are included in the COA. That would include laundry, I presume, but maybe not dry cleaning.
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Post by kvball18 on Feb 23, 2017 12:06:01 GMT -5
Anybody know if the Big West and WCC are paying COA to scholarship athletes? Santa Clara gives their volleyball players COA - several thousand, I believe. Would getting COA or not really influence a student-athlete's decision to attend one school over another? I would hope there would be about 20 different considerations that would be weighed before that question.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Feb 23, 2017 12:22:43 GMT -5
Anybody know if the Big West and WCC are paying COA to scholarship athletes? Santa Clara gives their volleyball players COA - several thousand, I believe. Would getting COA or not really influence a student-athlete's decision to attend one school over another? I would hope there would be about 20 different considerations that would be weighed before that question. Yes
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Post by Wiswell on Feb 23, 2017 12:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 23, 2017 13:08:19 GMT -5
One of the differences is that the COA stipends make up the difference between 1) what costs schools cover in a full scholarship and 2) the actual cost of attendance. Note that SEC schools are providing much larger COA stipends than other conferences, because they cover less of the cost of attendance in their scholarships. Many athletes, however, are only going to see the size of the checks.
It'll be interesting to see if paying more in COA stipends to male athletes in revenue-sports than to female athletes in non-revenue-sports triggers any Title IX lawsuits.
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Post by FOBRA on Feb 23, 2017 13:10:24 GMT -5
The $72k figure looks like their "cost of excellence" which includes things provided to specifically student athletes (travel, training, sports insurance etc). The total cost of attendance for the college on out of state is around $50k, with the COA stipend being a little over $4k. That seems pretty consistent with the numbers other schools are showing.
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