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Post by urkillinmesmalls on Apr 8, 2015 22:46:23 GMT -5
Come on Dorothy... I expected more from you on this then a geographic correction... Head coach with no experience? Didn't they say the say thing when Rose arrived at Penn State. That worked out pretty well. Except for the two years he worked for Jim Coleman at George Williams and that he got a Master's degree while at Nebraska with a thesis on volleyball statistics.
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Post by setter1848 on Apr 9, 2015 8:09:34 GMT -5
Didn't they say the say thing when Rose arrived at Penn State. That worked out pretty well. Except for the two years he worked for Jim Coleman at George Williams and that he got a Master's degree while at Nebraska with a thesis on volleyball statistics. That was how long ago?? You just do not see someone getting a mid-major head coaching job with no college coaching experience anymore. Expectations are just too high for any college program to hire someone like that. Just because they had a great playing career does not mean they will make a great coach. Time will tell with this hire.
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Post by coachwpassion on Apr 9, 2015 8:24:24 GMT -5
Let's also remember that the times are completely different in college athletes than they were back with Russ, Terry, and even Don were hired. Back in the 80's and even early/mid 90's it was about having a solid person who could build a program, keep the house clean, and provide opportunity to female athletes. NOW- if Russ ever retired PSU would want someone to keep them in the status they have become accustomed to. In addition, athletes revenue is a big portion of how AD"s make decisions. That was not the case within female athletics in the earlier decades.
The comparison is almost mute.
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Post by Devils Advocate on Apr 9, 2015 8:36:31 GMT -5
If the comparison was mute would we actually here it......
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Post by Vballin on Apr 9, 2015 8:47:29 GMT -5
I think it is an exciting hire!
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Post by d3coach on Apr 9, 2015 9:02:49 GMT -5
Except for the two years he worked for Jim Coleman at George Williams and that he got a Master's degree while at Nebraska with a thesis on volleyball statistics. That was how long ago?? You just do not see someone getting a mid-major head coaching job with no college coaching experience anymore. Expectations are just too high for any college program to hire someone like that. Just because they had a great playing career does not mean they will make a great coach. Time will tell with this hire. There are always exceptions. A school by the name of Purdue rings a bell. So does Minnesota. As does Ball State. Granted, these instances involved coaches that had a LOT more experience than Blair coaching, but none had been at the college level that I'm aware of. Recruiting isn't rocket science. There is a ton to learn, and it isn't easy. However, in the right situation this can be overcome. A strong athletic department that had the appropriate resources could mentor her. She could hire an experienced assistant who has recruiting experience. She could spend a lot of time and energy picking the minds of top coaches to find out how they do it (not that she knows any...). Again, not an ideal situation, but the reality is that if you can communicate a vision, have strong people skills, and have any type of sales background, you can probably be at least a mediocre to average recruiter until you learn the nuances of it. Look on the flip side. Buffalo isn't going to get and keep a top tier coach. They may get a good coach, or an experienced coach, but apparently the one coach with experience they felt could elevate their program turned them down. So do they offer it to someone who the AD doesn't have faith in, or do you take a risk on someone young, with great pedigree as a player, as a champion, and with at least some business savvy, who happens to have local ties? Is it a risk, yes. But if the AD is willing to give her time and support, could it work? Yes. Certainly not a "great" hire, and very reasonable for people to be skeptical, but also a hire that has some serious potential to do well down the line.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 9, 2015 9:47:24 GMT -5
If the comparison was mute would we actually here it...... That's neither hear nor their.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 9:51:03 GMT -5
If the comparison was mute would we actually here it...... That's neither hear nor their. Eye sea what ewe did they're.
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Post by vbkid111 on Apr 9, 2015 10:04:05 GMT -5
That was how long ago?? You just do not see someone getting a mid-major head coaching job with no college coaching experience anymore. Expectations are just too high for any college program to hire someone like that. Just because they had a great playing career does not mean they will make a great coach. Time will tell with this hire. There are always exceptions. A school by the name of Purdue rings a bell. So does Minnesota. As does Ball State. Granted, these instances involved coaches that had a LOT more experience than Blair coaching, but none had been at the college level that I'm aware of. Recruiting isn't rocket science. There is a ton to learn, and it isn't easy. However, in the right situation this can be overcome. A strong athletic department that had the appropriate resources could mentor her. She could hire an experienced assistant who has recruiting experience. She could spend a lot of time and energy picking the minds of top coaches to find out how they do it (not that she knows any...). Again, not an ideal situation, but the reality is that if you can communicate a vision, have strong people skills, and have any type of sales background, you can probably be at least a mediocre to average recruiter until you learn the nuances of it. Look on the flip side. Buffalo isn't going to get and keep a top tier coach. They may get a good coach, or an experienced coach, but apparently the one coach with experience they felt could elevate their program turned them down. So do they offer it to someone who the AD doesn't have faith in, or do you take a risk on someone young, with great pedigree as a player, as a champion, and with at least some business savvy, who happens to have local ties? Is it a risk, yes. But if the AD is willing to give her time and support, could it work? Yes. Certainly not a "great" hire, and very reasonable for people to be skeptical, but also a hire that has some serious potential to do well down the line. 1. I don't see any significant parallels between this hire and the hiring of the Shondells...at all. 2. What is needed here is the hiring of a very experienced head assistant who can help guide the new coach through the logistics and help with national recruiting contacts. Then, I think, all will be well. And actually, I think that has happened, or is about to. 3. I have faith in Blair. She can grow into this position and do well.
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Post by setter1848 on Apr 9, 2015 10:08:15 GMT -5
If the comparison was mute would we actually here it...... That's neither hear nor their. I am sorry, but you cannot compare this hire to who Purdue, Minnesota, and Ball State hired. These coaches came in with years upon years of coaching experience that just doesn't compare to what Buffalo did.
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Post by vbc1 on Apr 9, 2015 10:16:53 GMT -5
If the comparison was mute would we actually here it...... That's neither hear nor their. I had to moot my music when I red this. You're attempt at humor was to much.
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Post by sizzlincatfish on Apr 9, 2015 10:19:24 GMT -5
Come on Dorothy... I expected more from you on this then a geographic correction... Head coach with no experience? Didn't they say the say thing when Rose arrived at Penn State. That worked out pretty well. This argument needs to be banished. It's faulty and not in any way applicable to today.
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Post by d3coach on Apr 9, 2015 10:19:50 GMT -5
That's neither hear nor their. I am sorry, but you cannot compare this hire to who Purdue, Minnesota, and Ball State hired. These coaches came in with years upon years of coaching experience that just doesn't compare to what Buffalo did. The previous poster said you shouldn't hire a college head coach at a mid major without college coaching experience. My point wasn't to compare Blair to those coaches as coaches, but rather to say that when you create a box of "requirements" you will miss too. You don't need to have experience as a college coach to be a successful head coach in college. Blair's lack of college coaching experience doesn't necessarily make it a bad hire in and of that. What makes it a risky hire is the lack of coaching experience in general, combined with a lack of experiences that go along with coaching in college (ie: recruiting, program management, etc...). Now, one thing that the article doesn't mention, is what overseas coaching experience she has. Most professional players I've talked to have had requirements to coach younger players/teams in the same club. While this isn't college experience, it could translate to a few seasons of coaching experience. Again, not an ideal situation, but when you put it all together it would certainly add an additional component to her resume that was lacking.
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 9, 2015 11:56:19 GMT -5
That's neither hear nor their. I had to moot my music when I red this. You're attempt at humor was to much. Very well played gentlemen.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 9, 2015 12:40:25 GMT -5
Come on Dorothy... I expected more from you on this then a geographic correction... Head coach with no experience? Didn't they say the say thing when Rose arrived at Penn State. That worked out pretty well. No they didn't say that as Rose had coaching experience. Also back then coaches were hired everyday with next to no experience given the profession. Pettit was an english teacher in NC when he was hired at Nebraska, Russ was his assistant with far more experience. Example 4,163 proving ydkwyta.
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