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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 18, 2015 23:38:22 GMT -5
i know USA volleyball told her to tame it down, and she was upset about it You are a brave man...do you realize this is the headquarters for the Destinee Hooker fan club.
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Apr 18, 2015 23:42:06 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 23:42:06 GMT -5
I don't think you fully understand the situation. Karch didn't set out to exclude Destinee from the team, he was trying to exclude what he determined was a distraction for the team. The rule essentially back-fired because it forced a choice and response that he didn't intend. The issue as I see it is that a little more experience and finesse would have allowed him to achieve his objective without the unintended consequences. I'm not surprised at your attitude of "My way or the highway," but I am surprised at your contention that Karch sending you a letter has anything to do with his judgement or actions as a coach. It's a very weak correlation. He should have tried harder and compromised his rules and standards to have them on the team. The rule he created specifically for Destinee and applied to no one else and no other situation? Yeah he should've. By the way, do you even know what the rule was that he created?
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Apr 18, 2015 23:44:57 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 18, 2015 23:44:57 GMT -5
He should have tried harder and compromised his rules and standards to have them on the team. The rule he created specifically for Destinee and applied to no one else and no other situation? Yeah he should've. By the way, do you even know what the rule was that he created? Do you? Who shared the informationt with you. Is this directly from Karch or Destinee or on this forum? Are you close personal friends with Destinee?
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Apr 18, 2015 23:54:34 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 18, 2015 23:54:34 GMT -5
I don't care if you think my observations are wrong or not honestly. How many times do I have to say this. Karch and Destinee know what happened. To be prepared to lose a talent like Hooker, Karch had to feel strongly about the rule and its importance. I trust him to make that judgement. She can either agree or not play. The Destinee fan club can cry about it till the cows come home but its done. Get over it. or he can't manage personalities as a coach that's why he doesn't want logan back either having said he wants to go with a younger group as an excuse. let's face it he was willing to let hooker and tom go not because of some rule (hooker) but because of his insecurities and inability to manage players. also it's disturbing how much hate you have for destinee. there's something seriously not right. have you read your posts? you even make up stuff about her. it's pretty sick. Its disturbing how many excuses you have for Destinee and how have painted a highly respected coach to be a crazy, ego driven, insecure, man. Shame on you. I have watched both play many times I have observed how both handle victory and the press. I know who I believe and who I don't. Now that you haven't managed to make me believe that Karch is at fault, now you are going to accuse me of hating and making up stuff about a player? Are you playing with a full deck?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2015 23:57:06 GMT -5
The rule he created specifically for Destinee and applied to no one else and no other situation? Yeah he should've. By the way, do you even know what the rule was that he created? Do you? Who shared the informationt with you. Is this directly from Karch or Destinee or on this forum? Are you close personal friends with Destinee? Come on, now. We're not talking about the secret recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken. Understanding the rule involved should be a consideration. I respect your loyalty, but blind allegiance to someone or something and an unwillingness to consider other possibilities isn't really the same thing as integrity.
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Apr 18, 2015 23:58:11 GMT -5
Post by kc8413 on Apr 18, 2015 23:58:11 GMT -5
I don't think you fully understand the situation. Karch didn't set out to exclude Destinee from the team, he was trying to exclude what he determined was a distraction for the team. The rule essentially back-fired because it forced a choice and response that he didn't intend. The issue as I see it is that a little more experience and finesse would have allowed him to achieve his objective without the unintended consequences. I'm not surprised at your attitude of "My way or the highway," but I am surprised at your contention that Karch sending you a letter has anything to do with his judgement or actions as a coach. It's a very weak correlation. Oh Gees...you people amaze me. Perhaps you should picket the games and cry out for justice in this horribly unfair situation for poor Destinee and the big ,bad , mean coach that ruined her career. Karch has been around the game a very long time. With the exception of Logan and Destinee , no other players seem to have an issue with him? Why is that genius's? Could it be that they were very difficult and wanted it their own way? But you guys are absolutely right. Since they are so talented , its his fault that he couldn't manage their somewhat difficult personalities. He should have tried harder and compromised his rules and standards to have them on the team. I apologies for thinking so foolishly. SAVE DESTINEE!!! Why are we assuming that Logan and Karch don't get along as well. Logan hasn't expressed interest in returning to the team and she is getting older. She might not want to come back if she doesn't think she can be of any help. All Karch said is he's exploring younger OH options for now.
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Apr 19, 2015 0:04:40 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 19, 2015 0:04:40 GMT -5
Do you? Who shared the informationt with you. Is this directly from Karch or Destinee or on this forum? Are you close personal friends with Destinee? Come on, now. We're not talking about the secret recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken. Understanding the rule involved should be a consideration. I respect your loyalty, but blind allegiance to someone or something and an unwillingness to consider other possibilities isn't really the same thing as integrity. I don't even know Karch. I respect him however because of his track record both on and off the court. You make it sound like I have blind loyalty and to me its common sense and trusting a seasoned coach who has earned his accolades and respect. Its that simple. I also don't think that you experts on volleytalk know exactly what happened and neither do I.
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Apr 19, 2015 0:05:52 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 19, 2015 0:05:52 GMT -5
Oh Gees...you people amaze me. Perhaps you should picket the games and cry out for justice in this horribly unfair situation for poor Destinee and the big ,bad , mean coach that ruined her career. Karch has been around the game a very long time. With the exception of Logan and Destinee , no other players seem to have an issue with him? Why is that genius's? Could it be that they were very difficult and wanted it their own way? But you guys are absolutely right. Since they are so talented , its his fault that he couldn't manage their somewhat difficult personalities. He should have tried harder and compromised his rules and standards to have them on the team. I apologies for thinking so foolishly. SAVE DESTINEE!!! Why are we assuming that Logan and Karch don't get along as well. Logan hasn't expressed interest in returning to the team and she is getting older. She might not want to come back if she doesn't think she can be of any help. All Karch said is he's exploring younger OH options for now. I am not assuming anything. I am using their argument that Logan was also treated unfairly. I would be thrilled if Logan was on the team.
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Apr 19, 2015 0:10:57 GMT -5
Post by ballervolley on Apr 19, 2015 0:10:57 GMT -5
or he can't manage personalities as a coach that's why he doesn't want logan back either having said he wants to go with a younger group as an excuse. let's face it he was willing to let hooker and tom go not because of some rule (hooker) but because of his insecurities and inability to manage players. also it's disturbing how much hate you have for destinee. there's something seriously not right. have you read your posts? you even make up stuff about her. it's pretty sick. Its disturbing how many excuses you have for Destinee and how have painted a highly respected coach to be a crazy, ego driven, insecure, man. Shame on you. I have watched both play many times I have observed how both handle victory and the press. I know who I believe and who I don't. Now that you haven't managed to make me believe that Karch is at fault, now you are going to accuse me of hating and making up stuff about a player? Are you playing with a full deck? haha flipping the script you've been doing this alot and also not answering other questions haha. you watched when karch pulled down the net? i never said or painted him crazy, ego driven, i did say insecure yes. you're making stuff up in your head again. why don't you re read your ridiculous posts making stuff up in your head is becoming a disturbing pattern. oh i know im not gonna convince you of anything not with your received autographs and advice i don't stand a chance. lmfao.
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Apr 19, 2015 0:13:23 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 19, 2015 0:13:23 GMT -5
Its disturbing how many excuses you have for Destinee and how have painted a highly respected coach to be a crazy, ego driven, insecure, man. Shame on you. I have watched both play many times I have observed how both handle victory and the press. I know who I believe and who I don't. Now that you haven't managed to make me believe that Karch is at fault, now you are going to accuse me of hating and making up stuff about a player? Are you playing with a full deck? haha flipping the script you've been doing this alot and also not answering other questions haha. you watched when karch pulled down the net? i never said or painted him crazy, ego driven, i did say insecure yes. you're making stuff up in your head again. why don't you re read your ridiculous posts making stuff up in your head is becoming a disturbing pattern. oh i know im not gonna convince you of anything not with your received autographs and advice i don't stand a chance. lmfao. More dirty dirty debating ball and you wonder why I have no respect for your posts? I am distrubed....by your posts. Does that mean I am crazy. Have a good evening . I have to make an appointment in the morning to visit my counselor about my disturbing patterns then perhaps I will visit my shrine to Karch and then go to AA for my hate complex toward Destinee. So much to do.
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Apr 19, 2015 0:14:29 GMT -5
Post by ballervolley on Apr 19, 2015 0:14:29 GMT -5
haha flipping the script you've been doing this alot and also not answering other questions haha. you watched when karch pulled down the net? i never said or painted him crazy, ego driven, i did say insecure yes. you're making stuff up in your head again. why don't you re read your ridiculous posts making stuff up in your head is becoming a disturbing pattern. oh i know im not gonna convince you of anything not with your received autographs and advice i don't stand a chance. lmfao. More dirty dirty debating ball and you wonder why I have no respect for your posts? I am distrubed....by your posts. Does that mean I am crazy. #flipscript
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Post by ballervolley on Apr 19, 2015 0:24:59 GMT -5
haha flipping the script you've been doing this alot and also not answering other questions haha. you watched when karch pulled down the net? i never said or painted him crazy, ego driven, i did say insecure yes. you're making stuff up in your head again. why don't you re read your ridiculous posts making stuff up in your head is becoming a disturbing pattern. oh i know im not gonna convince you of anything not with your received autographs and advice i don't stand a chance. lmfao. More dirty dirty debating ball and you wonder why I have no respect for your posts? I am distrubed....by your posts. Does that mean I am crazy. Have a good evening . I have to make an appointment in the morning to visit my counselor about my disturbing patterns then perhaps I will visit my shrine to Karch and then go to AA for my hate complex toward Destinee. So much to do. AA for hate? pefect list get to it.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 19, 2015 0:42:18 GMT -5
Come on, now. We're not talking about the secret recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken. Understanding the rule involved should be a consideration. I respect your loyalty, but blind allegiance to someone or something and an unwillingness to consider other possibilities isn't really the same thing as integrity. I don't even know Karch. I respect him however because of his track record both on and off the court. You make it sound like I have blind loyalty and to me its common sense and trusting a seasoned coach who has earned his accolades and respect. Its that simple. I also don't think that you experts on volleytalk know exactly what happened and neither do I. I do understand that respect for him is at the core of your position, but he earned that respect primarily as a player and champion, not as a coach (and while almost everyone admires him as a competitor, I dare say that not everyone who knows him thinks he's a swell guy). That respect is what got him the coaching job, and it's true that he has done what no other USA women's coach has done--coach the team to a World Championship. But that respect and success doesn't bestow immunity from criticism, particularly in regard to the areas where his skills and experience aren't the greatest.
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Post by ballervolley on Apr 19, 2015 0:45:35 GMT -5
I don't even know Karch. I respect him however because of his track record both on and off the court. You make it sound like I have blind loyalty and to me its common sense and trusting a seasoned coach who has earned his accolades and respect. Its that simple. I also don't think that you experts on volleytalk know exactly what happened and neither do I. I do understand that respect for him is at the core of your position, but he earned that respect primarily as a player and champion, not as a coach (and while almost everyone admires him as a competitor, I dare say that not everyone who knows him thinks he's a swell guy). That respect is what got him the coaching job, and it's true that he has done what no other USA women's coach has done--coach the team to a World Championship. But that respect and success doesn't bestow immunity from criticism, particularly in regard to the areas where his skills and experience aren't the greatest. haha he said "seasoned"
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Apr 19, 2015 12:11:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 12:11:16 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there: the discussion seems to be centered around Karch and Hooker. Based on some comments by NT members I've read over the last year or so, I would infer that many of the other important U.S. players also don't want Hooker on the team.
Though I will say, talentwise, if everyone can get over their differences, USA with Hooker, Jordan, Harmotto, and Akin (and Hill for that matter) right now would be almost unstoppable.
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