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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 21:43:01 GMT -5
After reading all the responses and the arguments over GM2 I'll toss in my two cents. I think GM2 has taken good ideas (more contacts=more development; the game teaches the game, etc.) and just beat the hell out of them to a point where it's annoying to hear talked about. Listening to "GM2 mafia members" (thx for the term vbc1) answer everything with just that "the game teaches the game" is incredibly silly. It's like talking to a libertarian whose answer to every question is just "well the market will fix it." This religious devotion to an ideology is insanity. There are middle grounds where coaches aren't just letting 12 year olds slap at balls all practice and never get to hit a ball, but also aren't standing on boxes every practice and hitting line shots at each player/serving every ball to an entire team while a line of 12 waits for ~1 minute between contacts. Personally, I really liked some things that I've heard from Kessel, but it's just important to internalize the advice in moderation. For instance, I love starting off my practices by dividing the court up in half and have a constant rotating individual competition of 2 v 2 which goes on week after week. More balls in play, more ball control, it's great. However, I'm not gonna go to great lengths to make sure that there are 4 balls in the air at all times with drills I don't think make sense just to get the maximum amount of touches for players. I'm also not going to just let kids go out and play if we look sloppy, have bad footwork, can't approach properly, have bad arm swings, or don't know blocking footwork. Occasionally there will be drills where I'm hitting a ball at a player to isolate something (blocking footwork, blocking form, defensive positioning and posture when the ball is contacted, etc.); and this is also fine occasionally. tl;dr -- oshkoshdadmjs is tired of people just thinking the gm2's "the game teaches the game" will fix everything; there are better, more dynamic, ways to coach Carl McGown here... you have no idea what you're talking about! |
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Post by joetrinsey on May 2, 2015 1:41:16 GMT -5
At the risk of stirring the hornet's nest... you've definitely never been to a GMS clinic (or, we taught poorly) if you think all they (or we, since I instruct at some) say is "the game teaches the game."
I don't have my manual handy, but I'm pretty sure the first drill in the book is basically partner passing.
You have to teach technique. Sometimes you can teach it in a game, sometimes you can't.
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Post by n00b on May 2, 2015 6:59:58 GMT -5
At the risk of stirring the hornet's nest... you've definitely never been to a GMS clinic (or, we taught poorly) if you think all they (or we, since I instruct at some) say is "the game teaches the game." I don't have my manual handy, but I'm pretty sure the first drill in the book is basically partner passing. You have to teach technique. Sometimes you can teach it in a game, sometimes you can't. People are definitely confusing GM2 with Kessel's stuff. I think the two have a common criticism though - people blindly follow without thinking about the why and if it's actually what's best for their team. I know that Kessel does speak down to people who disagree with his stuff (I've been to his clinics). I've never been to a GM2 clinic so I can't speak to their tone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 10:30:36 GMT -5
MOST volleyball coaches have very limited time with their athletes. If you have two hours or less, once a week -- or even twice a week -- what is the best use of that time? Training individual techniques in non-game like drills is just not going to be productive. Furthermore, it's going to dampen whatever enthusiasm your athletes may have had for the sport coming in.
Not everyone has endless hours of training available to them. Maximize contacts and make it as game-like as possible. And INVOLVE THE NET.
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Post by mplssetter on May 2, 2015 11:45:21 GMT -5
Also add in that smaller clubs often only have one coach and no assistant.
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on May 2, 2015 13:24:11 GMT -5
After reading all the responses and the arguments over GM2 I'll toss in my two cents. I think GM2 has taken good ideas (more contacts=more development; the game teaches the game, etc.) and just beat the hell out of them to a point where it's annoying to hear talked about. Listening to "GM2 mafia members" (thx for the term vbc1) answer everything with just that "the game teaches the game" is incredibly silly. It's like talking to a libertarian whose answer to every question is just "well the market will fix it." This religious devotion to an ideology is insanity. There are middle grounds where coaches aren't just letting 12 year olds slap at balls all practice and never get to hit a ball, but also aren't standing on boxes every practice and hitting line shots at each player/serving every ball to an entire team while a line of 12 waits for ~1 minute between contacts. Personally, I really liked some things that I've heard from Kessel, but it's just important to internalize the advice in moderation. For instance, I love starting off my practices by dividing the court up in half and have a constant rotating individual competition of 2 v 2 which goes on week after week. More balls in play, more ball control, it's great. However, I'm not gonna go to great lengths to make sure that there are 4 balls in the air at all times with drills I don't think make sense just to get the maximum amount of touches for players. I'm also not going to just let kids go out and play if we look sloppy, have bad footwork, can't approach properly, have bad arm swings, or don't know blocking footwork. Occasionally there will be drills where I'm hitting a ball at a player to isolate something (blocking footwork, blocking form, defensive positioning and posture when the ball is contacted, etc.); and this is also fine occasionally. tl;dr -- oshkoshdadmjs is tired of people just thinking the gm2's "the game teaches the game" will fix everything; there are better, more dynamic, ways to coach Carl McGown here... you have no idea what you're talking about! I'm gonna assume this isn't Carl McGown and that this is in jest? |
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Post by joetrinsey on May 2, 2015 15:25:26 GMT -5
At the risk of stirring the hornet's nest... you've definitely never been to a GMS clinic (or, we taught poorly) if you think all they (or we, since I instruct at some) say is "the game teaches the game." I don't have my manual handy, but I'm pretty sure the first drill in the book is basically partner passing. You have to teach technique. Sometimes you can teach it in a game, sometimes you can't. People are definitely confusing GM2 with Kessel's stuff. I think the two have a common criticism though - people blindly follow without thinking about the why and if it's actually what's best for their team. I know that Kessel does speak down to people who disagree with his stuff (I've been to his clinics). I've never been to a GM2 clinic so I can't speak to their tone. Agreed- that's always the natural effect when you teach anything in a "system" fashion. You are going to get others who learn your system (perhaps incompletely) and adopt it as theirs, and then, to others, it seems that they are speaking for you. Of course, that's our responsibility as educators to teach the material better, so you eliminate these misunderstandings as much as possible. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 15:51:16 GMT -5
Carl McGown here... you have no idea what you're talking about! I'm gonna assume this isn't Carl McGown and that this is in jest? You are safe to assume so. |
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Post by azvb on May 3, 2015 10:13:21 GMT -5
Passing. 6-8 players. 1 ball. IN A CIRCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dexter on May 3, 2015 11:03:31 GMT -5
At the risk of stirring the hornet's nest... you've definitely never been to a GMS clinic (or, we taught poorly) if you think all they (or we, since I instruct at some) say is "the game teaches the game." I don't have my manual handy, but I'm pretty sure the first drill in the book is basically partner passing. You have to teach technique. Sometimes you can teach it in a game, sometimes you can't. People are definitely confusing GM2 with Kessel's stuff. I think the two have a common criticism though - people blindly follow without thinking about the why and if it's actually what's best for their team. I know that Kessel does speak down to people who disagree with his stuff (I've been to his clinics). I've never been to a GM2 clinic so I can't speak to their tone. I think it is safe to say that everything related to coaching (even aspects from coaches from other sports) could be taken into consideration, but requires a filter related to personnel, resources, time, etc. I read the article on a typical day for Russ Rose. He starts his day at 3 or 4am. Do I have to do that to be successful? That is what Russ does so I guess I need to start, right? Hugh won the highest possible level in the world using GM2 so you can't say that is wrong...but...GM2 is like religion. If you find a "born again" they will annoy the crap out of you with it because it literally changed their life. Because they didn't know anything about coaching or what they learned really didn't make much sense. Like the CAP clinics ask, "How did you learn how to coach?" That is where Kessel comes in. If I understand it correctly (and I admit that I may be wrong here), Kessel is paid by USAV to change how volleyball is being coached across the nation so doing such a huge task would lead to a rather rigid demeanor and I suppose talking down to someone will happen. I learned a lot from Kessel and my ability to coach increased because of him. I still don't take everything he says with 100% certainty because I have a filter. His point (the CAP point) is true - How did you learn how to coach? From other coaches or by natural ability? They relate it to piloting an airplane. Just cause you watched pilots fly and rode in an airplane doesn't mean you can be a pilot. I agree and support their efforts to push for coaches to make a coaching philosophy, learn about ethics, and things you should consider when creating a drill. Having a why before the what so to speak. People attended Karch's on-court demo in OKC where he criticized the 6-rotation OH. Then they disagreed hardcore...with Karch. So when it comes to coaching volleyball, people will disagree with anyone - Russ, Karch, Kessel, GM2, etc. etc. Look at this thread - Worst Volleyball Drills from coaches that don't understand the premise of learning/teaching. I am guilty of the bed sheet, dead fish, long lines of hitting, etc. etc. All before I knew about GM2 or CAP and Kessel. It doesn't mean it is the only way (although that is how firm they must be to make the change), but it can change how you think about coaching. I think the sport of volleyball does this all very well. I think it is ridiculous how basketball takes the gun and practices open shots over and over again without a challenging presence in the shooters space. Or how they have 6 basketball hoops and use 2 for 90% of practice or how they shoot free throws one at a time while the others stand on the blocks waiting their turn. I have yet to see our bball coaches bring in a video feedback system (BAM on ipad) and work on a player's technique. Their sport is at an impasse. Many of the drills listed so far have extreme relevence to Kessel and GM2. Sheets don't allow for reading, dead fish is sitting while you could play, plus you are trying to serve at someone instead of hitting open spaces, hitting lines disregards the 10,000 hour rule (or prolongs it). I appreciate ANYONE who is trying to change the culture (and coaching therein) of volleyball in the US regardless of the source as long as the "why" makes sense. |
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Post by lesmizuno on May 3, 2015 21:23:50 GMT -5
Passing. 6-8 players. 1 ball. IN A CIRCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I second this. I can't stand circle passing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 22:24:41 GMT -5
Passing. 6-8 players. 1 ball. IN A CIRCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...but i do kinda like it when my opponent is doing that for their shared-court warmup...  |
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Post by nakedcrayon on May 4, 2015 12:11:33 GMT -5
Passing. 6-8 players. 1 ball. IN A CIRCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...but i do kinda like it when my opponent is doing that for their shared-court warmup... I turned in my lineup after talking to my assistant this season about a switch of the middles rotation wise and turned around and saw them doing this with the ball cart with 10 balls next to them. Final tourney of the 18s season. I could not believe it. I simply asked them are we not old enough to partner pass during general warmup? |
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Post by volleyjeep on May 4, 2015 12:39:00 GMT -5
...but i do kinda like it when my opponent is doing that for their shared-court warmup... I turned in my lineup after talking to my assistant this season about a switch of the middles rotation wise and turned around and saw them doing this with the ball cart with 10 balls next to them. Final tourney of the 18s season. I could not believe it. I simply asked them are we not old enough to partner pass during general warmup? Sometimes players just want to kid/hang around each other and be... well kids. From a volleyball coaching perspective, everyone passing in a circle with one ball is not a good use of warm-up time. However from a players trying to relax, or team-build (of sorts), or just goof off for no reason at all, this has it's place. Sometimes as a coach we can get so caught up in being a coach to make them improve and be hard on them to do things correctly that we can take the fun out of playing this game. Sometimes they just need to goof off and be kids. With all that said, i'd still never let them warm-up passing in a circle with one ball.  |
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Post by bigscrill on May 4, 2015 14:41:03 GMT -5
Let's be positive VTers.
Best drill ever- DEATH STAR!!!
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