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Post by donnyb on Jul 20, 2015 13:30:30 GMT -5
Is she as good as I thought she was?? Without kessy or Kerri she does nothing. Kerri picked up Whitney and won a event. April should have did better at the Avp last weekend. Weak draw and fompa is good enough for April to do better than they did don't you guys think? This is just a random thought of the day. I didnt put much research into it and I'm sure someone will be along to give me some. Lol
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Post by klazk on Jul 20, 2015 13:55:52 GMT -5
I actually think the opposite. I think Fopma has become overrated (in this community at least). She had one good year with Sweat and everyone started talking her up, despite the multitude of years prior to that where all I heard was that she was slow and was a good blocker and couldn't do anything else.
Sweat moved on to Fendrick and they are doing similar to what Fopma/Sweat did. Meanwhile Fopma hasn't done much at all with any of her subsequent partners.
In NYC, Fopma had zero blocks in the 2 losses. She also only hit .286 in the loss to Claes/Hughes. I did not watch the matches, I just looked at the results/stats, but it does not appear to me that Ross was the problem.
One thing I don't know - did either Fopma or Ross have to switch sides in NYC?
It will be interesting to see how they rebound (or don't) in Yokohama this week.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 20, 2015 14:12:41 GMT -5
I actually think the opposite. I think Fopma has become overrated (in this community at least). She had one good year with Sweat and everyone started talking her up, despite the multitude of years prior to that where all I heard was that she was slow and was a good blocker and couldn't do anything else. Sweat moved on to Fendrick and they are doing similar to what Fopma/Sweat did. Meanwhile Fopma hasn't done much at all with any of her subsequent partners. In NYC, Fopma had zero blocks in the 2 losses. She also only hit .286 in the loss to Claes/Hughes. I did not watch the matches, I just looked at the results/stats, but it does not appear to me that Ross was the problem. One thing I don't know - did either Fopma or Ross have to switch sides in NYC? It will be interesting to see how they rebound (or don't) in Yokohama this week. This reminds me a bit of the "Lucena Effect" Everyone thought that it was Fopma carrying the team....Sweat should be thought of a bit better. to the original question, I'll give any team more than 1 week before I judge them. I was on the record for having Kessy/Day winning on before it started, because of the familiarity. Fopma could have been gassed a bit, it's been over a year since her last semi-final appearance on any tour. Who would of thought Emily Day would get a win before Summer Ross 2 years ago! |
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Post by digdugg on Jul 20, 2015 14:45:51 GMT -5
I think Fopma has become overrated (in this community at least). In NYC, Fopma had zero blocks in the 2 losses. She also only hit .286 in the loss to Claes/Hughes. I did not watch the matches, I just looked at the results/stats, but it does not appear to me that Ross was the problem. ^I agree klazk. Fopma is overated - I watched the match against the youngsters and she was completely ineffective, slow and could not side out off the net. The real question for this group is what about Kropp. She seems the best possible pick up for April Ross going forward if Kerri cannot go. She looked really strong - sides out when served, her blocking changed shots even if she did not touch them and she moved really well and looked to be in great shape despite having taken last year off and managing a family...I guess she does not have any FIVB points which may make the transition hard or impossible... |
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 15:32:10 GMT -5
I actually think the opposite. I think Fopma has become overrated (in this community at least). She had one good year with Sweat and everyone started talking her up, despite the multitude of years prior to that where all I heard was that she was slow and was a good blocker and couldn't do anything else. Sweat moved on to Fendrick and they are doing similar to what Fopma/Sweat did. Meanwhile Fopma hasn't done much at all with any of her subsequent partners. In NYC, Fopma had zero blocks in the 2 losses. She also only hit .286 in the loss to Claes/Hughes. I did not watch the matches, I just looked at the results/stats, but it does not appear to me that Ross was the problem. One thing I don't know - did either Fopma or Ross have to switch sides in NYC? It will be interesting to see how they rebound (or don't) in Yokohama this week. This reminds me a bit of the "Lucena Effect" Everyone thought that it was Fopma carrying the team....Sweat should be thought of a bit better. to the original question, I'll give any team more than 1 week before I judge them. I was on the record for having Kessy/Day winning on before it started, because of the familiarity. Fopma could have been gassed a bit, it's been over a year since her last semi-final appearance on any tour. Who would of thought Emily Day would get a win before Summer Ross 2 years ago! Im as big a Fopma fan as anyone but she did look slow and ineffective at the net. Nicole and Jenny had their way and looked great, but then so did Kelly and Sara. Jen needs to be a force at the net, otherwise she is just a slower Kim Dicello. |
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Post by donnyb on Jul 20, 2015 15:35:11 GMT -5
I didn't think Emily would not have a win but could that could be because of kessy which makes my thought more valuable possibly? April hasn't won without kessy or Kerri which are both great players. Now kessy wins with Emily and Kerri win with Whitney.
Fompa played right which she played with Brooke and April played left.
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Post by donnyb on Jul 20, 2015 15:37:32 GMT -5
I watched the finals and I would have to say Nicole looked like the old Nicole. She played really well. Kropp struggled to side at times and got most all the serves. Nicole made some really good Digs and put aways. she dug a ball and keopp made a bad set which would have won them to match
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 15:41:42 GMT -5
I didn't think Emily would not have a win but could that could be because of kessy which makes my thought more valuable possibly? April hasn't won without kessy or Kerri which are both great players. Now kessy wins with Emily and Kerri win with Whitney. Fompa played right which she played with Brooke and April played left. In the matches I saw Jen Kessey looked great. Being the elder statesman really seems to suit her. She was destroying any ball anyone was stupid enough to serve her. She was the best player in the tournament in my eyes. Jen/Nicole for Rio? |
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Post by donnyb on Jul 20, 2015 15:47:31 GMT -5
Kessy did look like the best player at the tournament from what I saw and a couple matches. She serve really well, Dug a bunch of balls, blocked some balls, and sided out when she didn't get serve
Kessy/April is more realistic for rio I think. Kessy looked not very happy at times with Emily.
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Post by volleyballjim on Jul 20, 2015 16:00:50 GMT -5
It's like reading resumes (going on players' reputation): They all look good, but NEVER confuse efforts with results...As guest2 sez, April hasn't won without Kessy or Kerri. I caan't really argue for the Kessy/April reunite if it comes to that, but I think Kerri will make Long Beach and we'll have to reassess there, any speculation prior to Long Beach is pretty volatile...Does April have that edge to carry a lower partner like the greats do? Doesn't quite look like it, but so many dynamics out there and, though the player field of NYC was critiqued harshly, is ANYBODY getting by others easily these days? April and Kerri ALMOST lost at Huntington '14 against Whit/Heather after a year long AVP sweep, so week-to-week on Kerri, but not until after FIVB Long Beach can we assess...IMVHO....
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 16:19:38 GMT -5
It's like reading resumes (going on players' reputation): They all look good, but NEVER confuse efforts with results...As guest2 sez, April hasn't won without Kessy or Kerri. I caan't really argue for the Kessy/April reunite if it comes to that, but I think Kerri will make Long Beach and we'll have to reassess there, any speculation prior to Long Beach is pretty volatile...Does April have that edge to carry a lower partner like the greats do? Doesn't quite look like it, but so many dynamics out there and, though the player field of NYC was critiqued harshly, is ANYBODY getting by others easily these days? April and Kerri ALMOST lost at Huntington '14 against Whit/Heather after a year long AVP sweep, so week-to-week on Kerri, but not until after FIVB Long Beach can we assess...IMVHO.... I think of Jen as a top player now, but back when they started together and for a good deal of the partnership, April seemed to realy elevate Jen's game. That team, for me, was the epitome of the "greater than the sum" idea. April and Kerri are better than Jen/April but I think they are not greater than the sum. |
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Post by volleyballjim on Jul 20, 2015 16:30:16 GMT -5
Beach is such a weird animal...21-19, 21-18 and you think, Yeah, one thing going the other way and they (loser) would have won. Well, the other side of that is the game has a HUGE number of "transactions" bump/set/hit/dig/repeat, etc...There is a reason one team is regularly on top and the other not. That said, since the "sample size" of plays is large, wins/losses regress, as they say, to the mean...Casey & Jake are case in point. Though a Mayer fan myself, You could see THAT win coming in NYC...
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Post by klazk on Jul 20, 2015 16:31:21 GMT -5
NEVER confuse efforts with results...As guest2 sez, April hasn't won without Kessy or Kerri. I think some context is needed when looking at that statistic. April Ross career partners (AVP, Cuervo and FIVB only and excluding KOB tournaments): Kessy 131 tournaments Walsh 27 tournaments Burdine 13 tournaments (all in her rookie season on AVP) Fopma 2 tournaments Pavlik 2 tournaments Reyonds 1 tournament (rookie season FIVB) Fontana 1 tournament (rookie season FIVB) So Ross has played 158 of 177 tournaments with Kessy & Walsh (89%). Excluding her rookie season, she has played 158 of 162 of her tournaments with Kessy and Walsh (97.5%). That is a pretty small sample size to say she can't win without Kessy or Walsh. |
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Post by donnyb on Jul 20, 2015 17:01:01 GMT -5
Beach is such a weird animal...21-19, 21-18 and you think, Yeah, one thing going the other way and they (loser) would have won. Well, the other side of that is the game has a HUGE number of "transactions" bump/set/hit/dig/repeat, etc...There is a reason one team is regularly on top and the other not. That said, since the "sample size" of plays is large, wins/losses regress, as they say, to the mean...Casey & Jake are case in point. Though a Mayer fan myself, You could see THAT win coming in NYC... Yeah but the last 3 matches against John Mayer and Patterson have gone 3 games. Patterson now winning 2/3 but that game could have easily been won by John. |
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Post by donnyb on Jul 20, 2015 17:06:05 GMT -5
NEVER confuse efforts with results...As guest2 sez, April hasn't won without Kessy or Kerri. I think some context is needed when looking at that statistic. April Ross career partners (AVP, Cuervo and FIVB only and excluding KOB tournaments): Kessy 131 tournaments Walsh 27 tournaments Burdine 13 tournaments (all in her rookie season on AVP) Fopma 2 tournaments Pavlik 2 tournaments Reyonds 1 tournament (rookie season FIVB) Fontana 1 tournament (rookie season FIVB) So Ross has played 158 of 177 tournaments with Kessy & Walsh (89%). Excluding her rookie season, she has played 158 of 162 of her tournaments with Kessy and Walsh (97.5%). That is a pretty small sample size to say she can't win without Kessy or Walsh. Yeah looking at it like that it makes more sense. But when she plays with these pretty good players there losing to teams they should beat. |
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