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Post by digs4days on Jul 13, 2016 20:54:21 GMT -5
Salary under 20k unless you can teach, 20-30 if you can teach gym or other classes. Not to mention terrible administrative support, facilities, and no chance at success. Definitely a starter job and probably not one I would even suggest to my worst enemy! I hear they had a professor coach the men's team this last season cause they couldn't find anyone..... Rough spot for sure
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Post by vbgans on Jul 13, 2016 22:06:46 GMT -5
Not to mention terrible administrative support, facilities, and no chance at success. Definitely a starter job and probably not one I would even suggest to my worst enemy! I hear they had a professor coach the men's team this last season cause they couldn't find anyone..... Rough spot for sure[/quote]
Ok I will bite on this as this job is not that bad, and I have a very personal connection to this program. Yes It will take someone with some energy, creative marketing/recruiting and hard working attitude. It will take a few years to turn it back around as it is not that far off from a 19-12 season and top half in the conference. It is a starter job and there is money to give along with academic money, and a JV team can help if willing to recruit...a lot. Also, if you are willing to run both programs you can make enough, but 20-30K in Hannibal can be lived on. A job is a job and what a great learning experience to be in a conference with some of the best teams in NAIA. It is a challenge, but the challenge in sports is what makes it gratifying.
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Post by vboldskool on Jul 14, 2016 6:37:42 GMT -5
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Post by chanticleer86 on Jul 14, 2016 12:10:01 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Jul 14, 2016 13:23:12 GMT -5
Not to mention terrible administrative support, facilities, and no chance at success. Definitely a starter job and probably not one I would even suggest to my worst enemy! I hear they had a professor coach the men's team this last season cause they couldn't find anyone..... Rough spot for sure Ok I will bite on this as this job is not that bad, and I have a very personal connection to this program. Yes It will take someone with some energy, creative marketing/recruiting and hard working attitude. It will take a few years to turn it back around as it is not that far off from a 19-12 season and top half in the conference. It is a starter job and there is money to give along with academic money, and a JV team can help if willing to recruit...a lot. Also, if you are willing to run both programs you can make enough, but 20-30K in Hannibal can be lived on. A job is a job and what a great learning experience to be in a conference with some of the best teams in NAIA. It is a challenge, but the challenge in sports is what makes it gratifying. [/quote] Having a personal connection doesn't change what it is. It is a private school that costs close to 30k to attend. It is in the middle of nowhere with a population of maybe 20k people tops and the only thing there is Walmart and a movie theatre. Scholarship budget works off an avg where you have to stay extremely low in comparison to the competition. The list goes on. As you said you are able to play against some of the best competition but you also have some of the worst facilities, scholarship money's, and recruitable area and there is no arguing that. it is definitely a starter job and one that I would be weary of taking considering many coaches have gone there and not done well afterwards. You would need an incredible recruiter with a whole lot of connections to turn things around there and those things don't normally come from someone looking for a "starter job"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 14:29:06 GMT -5
Not to mention terrible administrative support, facilities, and no chance at success. Definitely a starter job and probably not one I would even suggest to my worst enemy! I hear they had a professor coach the men's team this last season cause they couldn't find anyone..... Rough spot for sure Ok I will bite on this as this job is not that bad, and I have a very personal connection to this program. Yes It will take someone with some energy, creative marketing/recruiting and hard working attitude. It will take a few years to turn it back around as it is not that far off from a 19-12 season and top half in the conference. It is a starter job and there is money to give along with academic money, and a JV team can help if willing to recruit...a lot. Also, if you are willing to run both programs you can make enough, but 20-30K in Hannibal can be lived on. A job is a job and what a great learning experience to be in a conference with some of the best teams in NAIA. It is a challenge, but the challenge in sports is what makes it gratifying. [/quote] Several points: 1 - Any job with regular turnover will struggle. 2 - It's not a starter-job. HLC has a very specific demographic. You need to be able to recruit that. 3 - Hannibal's a nice place. There's NOTHING wrong with living there. It's inexpensive, there's great fishing, access to the Mississippi, and it's an easy drive down to St. Louis. Part of why schools 'fail' with programs is that neither the admins OR the applicants think "Hey, is this a good match for me?" so you then get people here stunned that a die-hard Catholic school hires a Catholic over a 'better' volleyball coach who is agnostic.
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Post by vbgans on Jul 14, 2016 14:30:50 GMT -5
Not to mention terrible administrative support, facilities, and no chance at success. Definitely a starter job and probably not one I would even suggest to my worst enemy! I hear they had a professor coach the men's team this last season cause they couldn't find anyone..... Rough spot for sure Ok I will bite on this as this job is not that bad, and I have a very personal connection to this program. Yes It will take someone with some energy, creative marketing/recruiting and hard working attitude. It will take a few years to turn it back around as it is not that far off from a 19-12 season and top half in the conference. It is a starter job and there is money to give along with academic money, and a JV team can help if willing to recruit...a lot. Also, if you are willing to run both programs you can make enough, but 20-30K in Hannibal can be lived on. A job is a job and what a great learning experience to be in a conference with some of the best teams in NAIA. It is a challenge, but the challenge in sports is what makes it gratifying. Having a personal connection doesn't change what it is. It is a private school that costs close to 30k to attend. It is in the middle of nowhere with a population of maybe 20k people tops and the only thing there is Walmart and a movie theatre. Scholarship budget works off an avg where you have to stay extremely low in comparison to the competition. The list goes on. As you said you are able to play against some of the best competition but you also have some of the worst facilities, scholarship money's, and recruitable area and there is no arguing that. it is definitely a starter job and one that I would be weary of taking considering many coaches have gone there and not done well afterwards. You would need an incredible recruiter with a whole lot of connections to turn things around there and those things don't normally come from someone looking for a "starter job"[/quote] You are right having a personal connection doesn't change what YOU think of this university, but being the coach there for 5 years and doing what you seemingly think is impossible at a place that doesn't meet your standards for a job gives me credibility about this situation. Please check the roster for 2010 -11 www.hlgtrojans.com/roster/8/13.php. If you can figure out averages, work hard and get some smart athletes you can build a nice roster and team. The facilities haven't changed. Actually they are slightly better. It is not a starting job for those wanting to get into coaching. It is a starter job for a person with prior experience and wanting to put his/her stamp on a program and on his/her resume. It will take 3-4 years. It can be done and it has been done, and same can be said for the Men's program.
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Post by digs4days on Jul 14, 2016 14:45:57 GMT -5
Ok I will bite on this as this job is not that bad, and I have a very personal connection to this program. Yes It will take someone with some energy, creative marketing/recruiting and hard working attitude. It will take a few years to turn it back around as it is not that far off from a 19-12 season and top half in the conference. It is a starter job and there is money to give along with academic money, and a JV team can help if willing to recruit...a lot. Also, if you are willing to run both programs you can make enough, but 20-30K in Hannibal can be lived on. A job is a job and what a great learning experience to be in a conference with some of the best teams in NAIA. It is a challenge, but the challenge in sports is what makes it gratifying. Having a personal connection doesn't change what it is. It is a private school that costs close to 30k to attend. It is in the middle of nowhere with a population of maybe 20k people tops and the only thing there is Walmart and a movie theatre. Scholarship budget works off an avg where you have to stay extremely low in comparison to the competition. The list goes on. As you said you are able to play against some of the best competition but you also have some of the worst facilities, scholarship money's, and recruitable area and there is no arguing that. it is definitely a starter job and one that I would be weary of taking considering many coaches have gone there and not done well afterwards. You would need an incredible recruiter with a whole lot of connections to turn things around there and those things don't normally come from someone looking for a "starter job" You are right having a personal connection doesn't change what YOU think of this university, but being the coach there for 5 years and doing what you seemingly think is impossible at a place that doesn't meet your standards for a job gives me credibility about this situation. Please check the roster for 2010 -11 www.hlgtrojans.com/roster/8/13.php. If you can figure out averages, work hard and get some smart athletes you can build a nice roster and team. The facilities haven't changed. Actually they are slightly better. It is not a starting job for those wanting to get into coaching. It is a starter job for a person with prior experience and wanting to put his/her stamp on a program and on his/her resume. It will take 3-4 years. It can be done and it has been done, and same can be said for the Men's program. [/quote] Yes 19-12 and that's literally the best they have ever been under your guidance David Ganser. Even still your assistant flopped directly afterwards failing at Lamar and now is coaching high school. Coaches after as well have done nothing and gone no where. Congrats on your achievement and doing what is close to impossible but you were not a first time "starter" coach at the time either which is all they will ever get there with the resources they have
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Post by volleydude444 on Jul 15, 2016 5:26:36 GMT -5
CW Post (DII, ECC) has conducted interviews, should be making a decision in the next week or so
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Post by vboldskool on Jul 15, 2016 6:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by vboldskool on Jul 15, 2016 6:33:18 GMT -5
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Post by dexter on Jul 15, 2016 15:35:35 GMT -5
CW Post (DII, ECC) has conducted interviews, should be making a decision in the next week or so Do you mean LIU-Post? And for what position, nothing is showing any openings with Shellane announcing camps just 2 weeks ago which would indicate some level of her staying. I try to keep up with this thread, but maybe I missed the opening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 18:09:20 GMT -5
CW Post (DII, ECC) has conducted interviews, should be making a decision in the next week or so Do you mean LIU-Post? And for what position, nothing is showing any openings with Shellane announcing camps just 2 weeks ago which would indicate some level of her staying. I try to keep up with this thread, but maybe I missed the opening. In early June someone mentioned someone in that league leaving and saying "aloha" to their native state. I think everyone assumed it was Shellane.
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