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Post by n00b on Nov 18, 2015 11:20:40 GMT -5
The potential for 2 AVCA top 10 teams to meet in the second round of the tourney is a travesty. This scenario is the direct result of the Committee's over reliance on a faulty ratings system. Let it be known that we have Hawaii fans that ARE complaining about the system. Shoji knows how the RPI works. He chooses to schedule the way he does knowing that their RPI will be deflated. Even if Pablo was used, I still don't think Hawaii gets a seed. Their actual rating (15th) would get them close, but they only have ONE top 30 win, they played ZERO non-conference road matches (it is clearly spelled out that winning on the road carries more weight), and their best road win will be over #40. I don't see where Hawaii has a big argument (this year) that it's the RPI keeping them out. |
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Post by tomclen on Nov 18, 2015 11:23:38 GMT -5
Selection Rule; Section 4a; Sub-section 10f: RPI will be the primary determinant for seeding, but feel free to shuffle stuff around.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 18, 2015 11:38:12 GMT -5
Money they could potentially get back by being seeded. Please explain how you came up with this theory because it's not accurate. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 18, 2015 11:44:51 GMT -5
The potential for 2 AVCA top 10 teams to meet in the second round of the tourney is a travesty. This scenario is the direct result of the Committee's over reliance on a faulty ratings system. No it is not a travesty that any combination of AVCA ranked teams meets in any round. It is a silly useless poll good only for getting some minimal press out about the sport. That you think AVCA matters for NCAA tournament is a travesty. I know the tournament selection process, I have been complaining about it since 2004, nearly 10 years before you even registered to be a member of this messageboard. Actually, the stupidity of your post is a travesty. You may think it doesn't matter ( which in itself is irrelevant to me) but I am sure it will matter to the seeded team that is paired in a sub regional with Hawaii. The defense of RPI is laughable. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 18, 2015 11:51:35 GMT -5
The potential for 2 AVCA top 10 teams to meet in the second round of the tourney is a travesty. This scenario is the direct result of the Committee's over reliance on a faulty ratings system. Let it be known that we have Hawaii fans that ARE complaining about the system. Shoji knows how the RPI works. He chooses to schedule the way he does knowing that their RPI will be deflated. Even if Pablo was used, I still don't think Hawaii gets a seed. Their actual rating (15th) would get them close, but they only have ONE top 30 win, they played ZERO non-conference road matches (it is clearly spelled out that winning on the road carries more weight), and their best road win will be over #40. I don't see where Hawaii has a big argument (this year) that it's the RPI keeping them out. I am merely one Hawai'i fan who has been complaining it. I have been complaining about the system for years and only now you are coming to realize this? Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 11:52:34 GMT -5
Money they could potentially get back by being seeded. There's also no reason why the Big West can't improve its RPI. Please explain how you came up with this theory because it's not accurate. Please tell me which theory to which you refer. |
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Post by vbgirls2 on Nov 18, 2015 11:55:57 GMT -5
Most coaches know how RPI works when it comes to scheduling (and some are masterful at this) or at least their AD's do. Also not every coach gets full control of their scheduling. Our school, the scheduling is done by the women's AD, with very little imput from the coach. I know there was a time that the coach wanted to go to some better pre-season tournaments to raise their RPI and the AD wouldn't let them. This is probably not a problem at most of the top VB schools, but it does come in to play at others. So, The problem is more than just wanting to schedule better teams with higher RPI's, it also has to do with who does the scheduling and the dollars and the cost to go somewhere to play these teams.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 18, 2015 11:56:26 GMT -5
Please explain how you came up with this theory because it's not accurate. Please tell me which theory to which you refer. That Hawaii could recover missed revenue by foregoing a pre conference tourney. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 11:59:47 GMT -5
You don't think there's money to be made in hosting a sub-regional? I know the NCAA takes some of it, but still ...
Besides that, I'd have to think ALL schools are better off with home tournaments, no matter how much they make (or lose). Doesn't seem to stop other schools from going on the road. At some point, you need to do what is best for your VB program, even if it costs some $$. If anyone can afford it, you'd think it'd be UH.
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Post by trollhunter on Nov 18, 2015 12:26:39 GMT -5
No it is not a travesty that any combination of AVCA ranked teams meets in any round. It is a silly useless poll good only for getting some minimal press out about the sport. That you think AVCA matters for NCAA tournament is a travesty. I know the tournament selection process, I have been complaining about it since 2004, nearly 10 years before you even registered to be a member of this messageboard. Actually, the stupidity of your post is a travesty. You may think it doesn't matter ( which in itself is irrelevant to me) but I am sure it will matter to the seeded team that is paired in a sub regional with Hawaii. The defense of RPI is laughable. Not sure what any of your post has to do with anything. Your being registered on this board for 10 years does not give you ANY further credibility. "This scenario is the direct result of the Committee's over reliance on a faulty ratings system." - Your desire to rely on AVCA rankings instead of current system is a travesty. That you think AVCA is better is laughable. |
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Post by vbgirls2 on Nov 18, 2015 12:34:53 GMT -5
Although many schools like hosting, many do not. It is a lot of work for the host school. Not all programs have the personnel to be able to host. IF you do not have great support staff, you as the head coach are distracted from preparing your own team.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 18, 2015 12:42:55 GMT -5
You don't think there's money to be made in hosting a sub-regional? I know the NCAA takes some of it, but still ... Besides that, I'd have to think ALL schools are better off with home tournaments, no matter how much they make (or lose). Doesn't seem to stop other schools from going on the road. At some point, you need to do what is best for your VB program, even if it costs some $$. If anyone can afford it, you'd think it'd be UH. No, not nearly the type of money that is made from a pre conference tournament. Concession revenue alone from a non conference tourney would blow away anything that could be brought in hosting a post season match at home. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 18, 2015 12:51:40 GMT -5
I know the tournament selection process, I have been complaining about it since 2004, nearly 10 years before you even registered to be a member of this messageboard. Actually, the stupidity of your post is a travesty. You may think it doesn't matter ( which in itself is irrelevant to me) but I am sure it will matter to the seeded team that is paired in a sub regional with Hawaii. The defense of RPI is laughable. Not sure what any of your post has to do with anything. Your being registered on this board for 10 years does not give you ANY further credibility. "This scenario is the direct result of the Committee's over reliance on a faulty ratings system." - Your desire to rely on AVCA rankings instead of current system is a travesty. That you think AVCA is better is laughable. AVCA does SIGNIFICANTLY better than RPI in Pick-The-Winner and is almost as good as Pablo this year, so not sure why it's laughable to think they are better? |
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Post by tomclen on Nov 18, 2015 12:56:26 GMT -5
Some are not being reasonable or even realistic in putting a dollar value on home matches at Hawaii. Like it or not, higher education is a business and coaches and athletic directors are under constant budget pressures.
Before suggesting that Hawaii hit the road in pre-conference, take a look at these attendance numbers...and remember these are the matches where, at most schools, only the die-hard 2 or 3-hundred fans show up:
8/28 Idaho 6,845
8/29 Witchita St. 6,718
8/30 Oregon State 6,107
9/4 Iowa 6,299
9/5 American 6,525
9/6 UCLA 8,667
9/10 SDSU 5,583
9/11 Florida 7,419
9/12 E. Washington 6,603
9/18 Bakersfield 6,458
9/20 Bakersfield 5,640
Hawaii's WORST attendance in pre-conference was 5,583. 90% of D1 schools NEVER have that many fans in the seats.
In Seattle, for example, take the University of Washington, with the best attendance in the Pac-12. Their largest crowd was the USC match, 4,951. Hawaii didn't have a crowd that small in their entire pre-conference schedule.
When UCLA played at Hawaii, the attendance was 8,667. If that match had been played at Pauley on the 6th of September, UCLA would have been lucky to draw 500, and most of them would have been Hawaii fans.
When Oregon State played at Hawaii in AUGUST, attendance was 6,107. When that same Oregon State team played at the Galen Center against the #1 team in the country and the leader in the Pac-12, USC - on a night when Bricio set the all-time kills record for USC - there were 696 paying customers.
Think about the ticket prices, the parking, the concessions, the gift shop, etc. No right-thinking person would be willing to trade that to appease an RPI system and a committee, that would probably still give Hawaii the shaft at tournament time anyway.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 18, 2015 12:58:14 GMT -5
I know the tournament selection process, I have been complaining about it since 2004, nearly 10 years before you even registered to be a member of this messageboard. Actually, the stupidity of your post is a travesty. You may think it doesn't matter ( which in itself is irrelevant to me) but I am sure it will matter to the seeded team that is paired in a sub regional with Hawaii. The defense of RPI is laughable. Not sure what any of your post has to do with anything. Your being registered on this board for 10 years does not give you ANY further credibility. "This scenario is the direct result of the Committee's over reliance on a faulty ratings system." - Your desire to rely on AVCA rankings instead of current system is a travesty. That you think AVCA is better is laughable. I couldn't care less about credibility. My comments were directed at you to illustrate that I understand the selection process. I have been complaining about it for nearly 10 years because it is a faulty system. Nowhere did I advocate the NCAA using the AVCA poll as a replacement but the coaches (for the most part) are better able to identify the top teams than RPI and yes, the potential for 2 top 10 AVCA teams having to square off in the second round out West while East and Midwest seeds will be facing cupcakes in the 2nd round is a travesty. Whether or not you agree is of little interest to me. |
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