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Post by photos1 on Feb 22, 2024 1:42:42 GMT -5
Actually, he coached the setters at Nebraska, and when he returned in 21 he was faced will a very mediocre setter in Nicklin Hames and he set out to redo and retrain her… and it was a roller-coaster the first half of the season, but Hames got better and Nebraska playing with 3 freshman made it to the 5th game of the championship match. How he turned her into a championship setter, even though it only lasted for a year, is still as impressive as anything he has ever done coaching. Of course, the other season he was here, 2017, he convinced Cook to make a huge offensive change after 3 early ooc losses. Yeah, they went on to win the NC, but the most memorable thing about the season, outside of beating Texas in the Regional final, was the massive improvement in the team from August to December in KC. He turned really good talent at Nebraska into championship caliber teams, but at LB he turned mediocre talent into competitive but not championship level teams. I think he just realized if he wanted to coach the best college talent it would probably never happen at LB because the best players are following the NIL money, and less than 20 schools have substantive NIL volleyball set-ups and 80% of them are in the B1G/SEC and the others appear to be Louisville, Pitt and maybe Florida State. I guess he could have grinded it out LB, but the easier path to final fours and championships is SC. I believe SC also has fixed limitations, but it’s clear that’s where he an Kristen want to raise their family and run her business. 🏐 So your argument for Tyler's impressive resume is that he was able to help the #1 setting recruit in the country and the #4 overall recruit in the country into someone capable of winning a title? I still don't get it. DBK is probably giggling to herself as she takes USC's backup and third string setters to Final Four appearances. Why don’t you just tell us you know nothing about volleyball and even less about hildebrand, although your words have already confirmed that…
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Post by volleyaudience on Feb 22, 2024 12:32:39 GMT -5
and who on this list of 25 do you think are "extremely questionable"? Personally, I've always questioned the legitimacy of a flat ranking of players in any given class - if anything, it should be by position. How anyone can rank players who don't do and aren't asked to do the same skill on the court is beyond me, however, I can say that this class is deep with pin talent. I'm not sure where I put Hunter among the pins in this class, but what I do know is that the following players from the top 25 list are very very good and should not be on the list of "extremely questionable": Sigler, Vander Wal, Mullen, Spears, Damaria, Davis, Quest, Tindall, Vinson, Kinney, Jager. I’ll say this if she replaced anyone on the list nobody would question it. But let’s say slide her in at 12,which I personally still fell Is too low. I'm marking you down as high on Ryan Hunter.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 22, 2024 12:35:48 GMT -5
Actually, he coached the setters at Nebraska, and when he returned in 21 he was faced will a very mediocre setter in Nicklin Hames and he set out to redo and retrain her… and it was a roller-coaster the first half of the season, but Hames got better and Nebraska playing with 3 freshman made it to the 5th game of the championship match. How he turned her into a championship setter, even though it only lasted for a year, is still as impressive as anything he has ever done coaching. Of course, the other season he was here, 2017, he convinced Cook to make a huge offensive change after 3 early ooc losses. Yeah, they went on to win the NC, but the most memorable thing about the season, outside of beating Texas in the Regional final, was the massive improvement in the team from August to December in KC. He turned really good talent at Nebraska into championship caliber teams, but at LB he turned mediocre talent into competitive but not championship level teams. I think he just realized if he wanted to coach the best college talent it would probably never happen at LB because the best players are following the NIL money, and less than 20 schools have substantive NIL volleyball set-ups and 80% of them are in the B1G/SEC and the others appear to be Louisville, Pitt and maybe Florida State. I guess he could have grinded it out LB, but the easier path to final fours and championships is SC. I believe SC also has fixed limitations, but it’s clear that’s where he an Kristen want to raise their family and run her business. 🏐 So your argument for Tyler's impressive resume is that he was able to help the #1 setting recruit in the country and the #4 overall recruit in the country into someone capable of winning a title? I still don't get it. DBK is probably giggling to herself as she takes USC's backup and third string setters to Final Four appearances. 2017 - a year with a 5th year setter and a senior Foecke, who had won a title and maybe the F4 the last two seasons --> it was Hildebrand who turned them into a championship caliber team?
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Post by VBallLife on Feb 22, 2024 14:16:24 GMT -5
I’ll say this if she replaced anyone on the list nobody would question it. But let’s say slide her in at 12,which I personally still feel Is too low. I'm marking you down as high on Ryan Hunter. Saw a game and she was a game changer. I have seen the others as well and they are good like you said,but she is definitely top 15 at minimum.
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Post by Word on Feb 22, 2024 14:53:37 GMT -5
So your argument for Tyler's impressive resume is that he was able to help the #1 setting recruit in the country and the #4 overall recruit in the country into someone capable of winning a title? I still don't get it. DBK is probably giggling to herself as she takes USC's backup and third string setters to Final Four appearances. Why don’t you just tell us you know nothing about volleyball and even less about hildebrand, although your words have already confirmed that… LOL, you're silly. If you insist that Tyler helping make the #1 setting recruit in her class a setter worthy of leading a team to a finals appearance is the most amazing accomplishment of his coaching career, well then we can disagree on impressive coaching feats. Many coaches out there are accomplishing more with less.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 22, 2024 15:00:58 GMT -5
Why don’t you just tell us you know nothing about volleyball and even less about hildebrand, although your words have already confirmed that… LOL, you're silly. If you insist that Tyler helping make the #1 setting recruit in her class a setter worthy of leading a team to a finals appearance is the most amazing accomplishment of his coaching career, well then we can disagree on impressive coaching feats. Many coaches out there are accomplishing more with less. That team wasn't even great offensively. They just served and defended their assess off in the tournament.
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Post by photos1 on Feb 22, 2024 18:42:35 GMT -5
So your argument for Tyler's impressive resume is that he was able to help the #1 setting recruit in the country and the #4 overall recruit in the country into someone capable of winning a title? I still don't get it. DBK is probably giggling to herself as she takes USC's backup and third string setters to Final Four appearances. 2017 - a year with a 5th year setter and a senior Foecke, who had won a title and maybe the F4 the last two seasons --> it was Hildebrand who turned them into a championship caliber team? That 2017 team lost 3 all-Americans(2 Rolfsons and Justine Wong-Oranges) and Andie Malloy from the 2016 team, in addition to losing both assistants (Tamas and DBK). The season began with Hunter being injured and they lost their first two matches, then lost to UNI in Omaha even with Hunter, a couple weeks later- that team was reeling. They were starting a new Libero, 2 untested DSs, a freshman OP/ Sweet, a redshirt freshman MB/Stivrins and the 2nd OH, Annika Albrecht-who spent her first 3 years as a DS. Yes they had Foecke and an injured Hunter, but it was Hildebrand who introduced large doses of video study, and was primarily responsible for developing Strivins and Sweet and making Albrecht into a 2nd team AA. No one thought that team was national championship caliber when the season began. Hildebrand was responsible for the (offense) MB, OH, game plans and video preparation. Cook is and was never a potted plant, but he spent a large part of the 2017 season on the defense and helping Banwarth get settled into her first season as a college coach. It was Hildebrand who was whose hands were directly in molding that offense. It was Hildebrand who game planned the heavy middle attack offense against Penn State the first time we played them in late September when Penn State was undefeated and ranked number one (beat ‘em 3-0 in Rec Hall). So yeah, it was Hildebrand who had the biggest influence on that national championship. That is still the Nebraska team that improved from August to December the most of any John Cook team and I doubt anyone who was near the program then would argue. It also showed how much Cook had evolved-he would never have allowed any of his assistants to have so much control of such a young team 4 or 5 years earlier. USC is very lucky to have Tyler Hildebrand. But I am sure you know all of this… 🏐
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 22, 2024 18:45:46 GMT -5
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Post by photos1 on Feb 22, 2024 18:56:24 GMT -5
So, you have nothing… nice… expected, but nice.
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Post by jwvolley on Feb 22, 2024 19:32:33 GMT -5
So your argument for Tyler's impressive resume is that he was able to help the #1 setting recruit in the country and the #4 overall recruit in the country into someone capable of winning a title? I still don't get it. DBK is probably giggling to herself as she takes USC's backup and third string setters to Final Four appearances. 2017 - a year with a 5th year setter and a senior Foecke, who had won a title and maybe the F4 the last two seasons --> it was Hildebrand who turned them into a championship caliber team? Junior *
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 22, 2024 20:46:49 GMT -5
2017 - a year with a 5th year setter and a senior Foecke, who had won a title and maybe the F4 the last two seasons --> it was Hildebrand who turned them into a championship caliber team? That 2017 team lost 3 all-Americans(2 Rolfsons and Justine Wong-Oranges) and Andie Malloy from the 2016 team, in addition to losing both assistants (Tamas and DBK). The season began with Hunter being injured and they lost their first two matches, then lost to UNI in Omaha even with Hunter, a couple weeks later- that team was reeling. They were starting a new Libero, 2 untested DSs, a freshman OP/ Sweet, a redshirt freshman MB/Stivrins and the 2nd OH, Annika Albrecht-who spent her first 3 years as a DS. Yes they had Foecke and an injured Hunter, but it was Hildebrand who introduced large doses of video study, and was primarily responsible for developing Strivins and Sweet and making Albrecht into a 2nd team AA. No one thought that team was national championship caliber when the season began. Hildebrand was responsible for the (offense) MB, OH, game plans and video preparation. Cook is and was never a potted plant, but he spent a large part of the 2017 season on the defense and helping Banwarth get settled into her first season as a college coach. It was Hildebrand who was whose hands were directly in molding that offense. It was Hildebrand who game planned the heavy middle attack offense against Penn State the first time we played them in late September when Penn State was undefeated and ranked number one (beat ‘em 3-0 in Rec Hall). So yeah, it was Hildebrand who had the biggest influence on that national championship. That is still the Nebraska team that improved from August to December the most of any John Cook team and I doubt anyone who was near the program then would argue. It also showed how much Cook had evolved-he would never have allowed any of his assistants to have so much control of such a young team 4 or 5 years earlier. USC is very lucky to have Tyler Hildebrand. But I am sure you know all of this… 🏐 I feel like you are assigning a lot of 'upward trajectory' of that 2017 Nebraska team to Hildebrand. First, some perspective - Nebraska lost 4 matches the entire season, and two of those were in the very first week of the year, on the road, against ranked teams, replacing both Rolfson's and Wong Orantes (as you acknowledge), and still managed to win 48% of the points against an Oregon team who returned pretty much their entire starting lineup, and 49% of the points @ Florida who had a bunch of returning talent too. The UNI loss was surprising, for sure, but they actually scored 50% of the points in that match, and their only other loss on the year was @ Wisconsin. That's hardly some doom and gloom reeling and I'm not sure how one can justify some "massive improvement" from August to December considering that Nebraska only played two matches in August (those ones I just mentioned). It's a ridiculously small sample size in which to compare, the first week of play (which ALWAYS produces whacky results), against ranked opponents on the road, and they still were winning 48% or more of the points - but I guess revisionist history is easy if you misconstrue the context. For a larger, more appropriate sample size, Nebraska began the season ranked #5 nationally, picked to finish second in the Big 10, and hit over .300 in 50% of their matches through September. That hardly sounds like a team that nobody thought could win a championship that year. They weren't the foregone preseason front-runner for the title by the prognosticators, but lets not pretend that they weren't on the shortlist for title contenders. The only other full year Hildebrand was with the program (2021), Nebraska's offense was unimpressive (hit .222 for the season). I don't think I have strong opinions on Hildebrand and his ability, or lack thereof, to coach, but I will say that I judge him more about what he did at LBSU than what he did as a cog in the wheel of the most heavily resourced and arguably most deeply talented program in the country. He came into LBSU and inherited a team that was 16-15 and missing the NCAA tournament in 2021 and improved them to 19-9 the next year (still missing the tournament) and 21-10 (still missing the tournament) the following year in what is generally a weaker conference nationally. That isn't nothing, and surely something to put on a resume, but I can understand those who think he was overpaid for what he produced. What I will say is that if people do think he's overrated and overpaid, USC seems like the perfect fit. USC is the poster child for a program that throws tons of money at sports with little to show for it.
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Mar 8, 2024 9:09:46 GMT -5
LMU, Ohio and Utah State will be playing at Galen the weekend of the 12 of Sept.
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Post by photos1 on Mar 8, 2024 11:58:01 GMT -5
That 2017 team lost 3 all-Americans(2 Rolfsons and Justine Wong-Oranges) and Andie Malloy from the 2016 team, in addition to losing both assistants (Tamas and DBK). The season began with Hunter being injured and they lost their first two matches, then lost to UNI in Omaha even with Hunter, a couple weeks later- that team was reeling. They were starting a new Libero, 2 untested DSs, a freshman OP/ Sweet, a redshirt freshman MB/Stivrins and the 2nd OH, Annika Albrecht-who spent her first 3 years as a DS. Yes they had Foecke and an injured Hunter, but it was Hildebrand who introduced large doses of video study, and was primarily responsible for developing Strivins and Sweet and making Albrecht into a 2nd team AA. No one thought that team was national championship caliber when the season began. Hildebrand was responsible for the (offense) MB, OH, game plans and video preparation. Cook is and was never a potted plant, but he spent a large part of the 2017 season on the defense and helping Banwarth get settled into her first season as a college coach. It was Hildebrand who was whose hands were directly in molding that offense. It was Hildebrand who game planned the heavy middle attack offense against Penn State the first time we played them in late September when Penn State was undefeated and ranked number one (beat ‘em 3-0 in Rec Hall). So yeah, it was Hildebrand who had the biggest influence on that national championship. That is still the Nebraska team that improved from August to December the most of any John Cook team and I doubt anyone who was near the program then would argue. It also showed how much Cook had evolved-he would never have allowed any of his assistants to have so much control of such a young team 4 or 5 years earlier. USC is very lucky to have Tyler Hildebrand. But I am sure you know all of this… 🏐 I feel like you are assigning a lot of 'upward trajectory' of that 2017 Nebraska team to Hildebrand. First, some perspective - Nebraska lost 4 matches the entire season, and two of those were in the very first week of the year, on the road, against ranked teams, replacing both Rolfson's and Wong Orantes (as you acknowledge), and still managed to win 48% of the points against an Oregon team who returned pretty much their entire starting lineup, and 49% of the points @ Florida who had a bunch of returning talent too. The UNI loss was surprising, for sure, but they actually scored 50% of the points in that match, and their only other loss on the year was @ Wisconsin. That's hardly some doom and gloom reeling and I'm not sure how one can justify some "massive improvement" from August to December considering that Nebraska only played two matches in August (those ones I just mentioned). It's a ridiculously small sample size in which to compare, the first week of play (which ALWAYS produces whacky results), against ranked opponents on the road, and they still were winning 48% or more of the points - but I guess revisionist history is easy if you misconstrue the context. For a larger, more appropriate sample size, Nebraska began the season ranked #5 nationally, picked to finish second in the Big 10, and hit over .300 in 50% of their matches through September. That hardly sounds like a team that nobody thought could win a championship that year. They weren't the foregone preseason front-runner for the title by the prognosticators, but lets not pretend that they weren't on the shortlist for title contenders. The only other full year Hildebrand was with the program (2021), Nebraska's offense was unimpressive (hit .222 for the season). I don't think I have strong opinions on Hildebrand and his ability, or lack thereof, to coach, but I will say that I judge him more about what he did at LBSU than what he did as a cog in the wheel of the most heavily resourced and arguably most deeply talented program in the country. He came into LBSU and inherited a team that was 16-15 and missing the NCAA tournament in 2021 and improved them to 19-9 the next year (still missing the tournament) and 21-10 (still missing the tournament) the following year in what is generally a weaker conference nationally. That isn't nothing, and surely something to put on a resume, but I can understand those who think he was overpaid for what he produced. What I will say is that if people do think he's overrated and overpaid, USC seems like the perfect fit. USC is the poster child for a program that throws tons of money at sports with little to show for it. You are funny. I’m sure opinions are varied on Tyler as the HC at LB, but the truth is, he took over a slipping mediocre program just as the NIL monster hit the scene. And in two years, as you stated, he immediately took a team a .500 team to .666 team, including a win over the current national champion. What I believe he immediately understood is that NIL has made it next to impossible to sign elite level portal players without a well funded NIL collective. And by “well funded” I don’t mean $45 weekly stipends at Hy-Vee. A team at LB’s level may occasionally make a run in the tournament, but building a national power that LB once was, is all but impossible. Volleyball’s rapid growth in attendance, television viewership and media attention is great for everyone, but it is best . . . and separating . . . for the schools in the P4 conferences because that is where the NIL money is. And the best organized NIL collectives in the P4 are separating the top 10 or so programs. LB is a have not, USC is a have. Time will tell about the Tyler-USC fit, but his hire has vaulted USC into the conversation of every elite recruit in the country and make no mistake, he is a great volleyball coach. 🏐
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 8, 2024 12:07:41 GMT -5
I feel like you are assigning a lot of 'upward trajectory' of that 2017 Nebraska team to Hildebrand. First, some perspective - Nebraska lost 4 matches the entire season, and two of those were in the very first week of the year, on the road, against ranked teams, replacing both Rolfson's and Wong Orantes (as you acknowledge), and still managed to win 48% of the points against an Oregon team who returned pretty much their entire starting lineup, and 49% of the points @ Florida who had a bunch of returning talent too. The UNI loss was surprising, for sure, but they actually scored 50% of the points in that match, and their only other loss on the year was @ Wisconsin. That's hardly some doom and gloom reeling and I'm not sure how one can justify some "massive improvement" from August to December considering that Nebraska only played two matches in August (those ones I just mentioned). It's a ridiculously small sample size in which to compare, the first week of play (which ALWAYS produces whacky results), against ranked opponents on the road, and they still were winning 48% or more of the points - but I guess revisionist history is easy if you misconstrue the context. For a larger, more appropriate sample size, Nebraska began the season ranked #5 nationally, picked to finish second in the Big 10, and hit over .300 in 50% of their matches through September. That hardly sounds like a team that nobody thought could win a championship that year. They weren't the foregone preseason front-runner for the title by the prognosticators, but lets not pretend that they weren't on the shortlist for title contenders. The only other full year Hildebrand was with the program (2021), Nebraska's offense was unimpressive (hit .222 for the season). I don't think I have strong opinions on Hildebrand and his ability, or lack thereof, to coach, but I will say that I judge him more about what he did at LBSU than what he did as a cog in the wheel of the most heavily resourced and arguably most deeply talented program in the country. He came into LBSU and inherited a team that was 16-15 and missing the NCAA tournament in 2021 and improved them to 19-9 the next year (still missing the tournament) and 21-10 (still missing the tournament) the following year in what is generally a weaker conference nationally. That isn't nothing, and surely something to put on a resume, but I can understand those who think he was overpaid for what he produced. What I will say is that if people do think he's overrated and overpaid, USC seems like the perfect fit. USC is the poster child for a program that throws tons of money at sports with little to show for it. You are funny. I’m sure opinions are varied on Tyler as the HC at LB, but the truth is, he took over a slipping mediocre program just as the NIL monster hit the scene. And in two years, as you stated, he immediately took a team a .500 team to .666 team, including a win over the current national champion. What I believe he immediately understood is that NIL has made it next to impossible to sign elite level portal players without a well funded NIL collective. And by “well funded” I don’t mean $45 weekly stipends at Hy-Vee. A team at LB’s level may occasionally make a run in the tournament, but building a national power that LB once was, is all but impossible. Volleyball’s rapid growth in attendance, television viewership and media attention is great for everyone, but it is best . . . and separating . . . for the schools in the P4 conferences because that is where the NIL money is. And the best organized NIL collectives in the P4 are separating the top 10 or so programs. LB is a have not, USC is a have. Time will tell about the Tyler-USC fit, but his hire has vaulted USC into the conversation of every elite recruit in the country and make no mistake, he is a great volleyball coach. 🏐 USC’s move to the B1G has done more to put USC in the conversation with elite recruits than hiring Tyler has, and Tyler is a good young coach, with a lot of still untapped and unproven potential, but he is not yet a great coach.
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Post by badgercard on Mar 8, 2024 12:48:04 GMT -5
I think photos really misses Hildebrand at neb
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