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Post by utpb on Jan 21, 2016 18:33:15 GMT -5
In a variation of the 6-2 offense where the middles and setters sub for each other it makes a bit more sense to call them right-side hitters. Technically the middles are "opposite" the setters in these rotations. The right-side hitters are "opposite" of each other in this lineup and could technically play all-around, although they are usually replaced by libero.
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Post by s0uthie on Jan 22, 2016 13:17:59 GMT -5
In a variation of the 6-2 offense where the middles and setters sub for each other it makes a bit more sense to call them right-side hitters. Technically the middles are "opposite" the setters in these rotations. The right-side hitters are "opposite" of each other in this lineup and could technically play all-around, although they are usually replaced by libero. It doesn't make any sense to call them right side hitters because they do not hit on the right side of the net. |
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 22, 2016 13:22:50 GMT -5
In a variation of the 6-2 offense where the middles and setters sub for each other it makes a bit more sense to call them right-side hitters. Technically the middles are "opposite" the setters in these rotations. The right-side hitters are "opposite" of each other in this lineup and could technically play all-around, although they are usually replaced by libero. It doesn't make any sense to call them right side hitters because they do not hit on the right side of the net. Um, yes, they do hit RS! Perhaps they didn't describe the situation well enough for you. Team is running a 6-2, with setters and middles "opposite". There are also two left-side hitters and two right-side hitters in this lineup. Washington ran this lineup 2-3 years ago. It looks like this by serving order: Setter - LS - RS - MH - LS - RS When setter gets to front row (and middle to serve) you sub in your other setter/middle tandem. Libero typically comes in for the RS in back row, but they could also come in for LS if desired, or asymmetrically. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 13:44:30 GMT -5
It doesn't make any sense to call them right side hitters because they do not hit on the right side of the net. Um, yes, they do. Perhaps they didn't describe the situation well enough for you. Team is running a 6-2, with setters and middles "opposite". There are also two left-side hitters and two right-side hitters in this lineup. Washington ran this lineup 2-3 years ago. It looks like this by serving order: Setter - LS - RS - MH - LS - RS When setter gets to front row (and middle to serve) you sub in your other setter/middle tandem. Libero typically comes in for the RS in back row, but they could also come in for LS if desired, or asymmetrically. I'm contemplating this alignment for my team next year. One question for which I've yet to establish an answer: what is the best thing to do if you run out of subs? I suppose it would play just the same as if a standard 6-2 setup in which you leave one setter in the front row and have a RS play right back, just that in this case it would be the middle staying in to play right back. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 22, 2016 14:02:35 GMT -5
If the setter can be opposite anyone (right-side, middle, or left-side), depending upon her position in the rotation, it follows that the term "opposite" is purely rotational in its origination, while "right-side hitter" is purely positional. If the two tend to coincide, it is only because that is the usual rotational sequence, but far from the only possible one. Now, even in the usual rotational sequence, when the setter is serving, the opposite is at left-front, while an OH is at right-front. If we interpret the diagram positionally, then the "right side hitter" is in fact an "outside hitter", but hitting on the right-side in that particular rotation. When the setter's serving the opposite will hit on the right and the OH on the left. Only if hitting all three front-row rotations on the right. Most teams have the OPP hitting once on the left and twice on the right. |
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Post by kokyu on Jan 22, 2016 15:06:46 GMT -5
When the setter's serving the opposite will hit on the right and the OH on the left. Only if hitting all three front-row rotations on the right. Most teams have the OPP hitting once on the left and twice on the right. On serve the OPP will hit on right side in every rotation. On serve receive the OPP will hit on the left in ros 1 and 2 and only on the right in ro 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 15:26:44 GMT -5
This is the better question: Why do some people number their ros 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 when the sensible thing is to number them 1, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2?
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Post by kokyu on Jan 22, 2016 16:20:14 GMT -5
This is the better question: Why do some people number their ros 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 when the sensible thing is to number them 1, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2? Because it's easier for players to orient their rotation positions sequentially. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 16:35:45 GMT -5
Not sure I follow that. If you're already using 1, 6, 5 etc. as your zones, why would you want to change them to 1, 2, 3 etc.? The setter is in zone 1, then zone 6, etc. -- not zone 2.
So instead you are talking about strict service order, but you've lost your anchor for the scheme. How is this easier to understand? If you're still using the setter as the anchor, you have a new numbering system. If it's strict service order, it can change from set to set.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 22, 2016 16:48:06 GMT -5
The numbers stay the same, you don't have to start a set in ro 1.
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 22, 2016 16:49:19 GMT -5
Um, yes, they do. Perhaps they didn't describe the situation well enough for you. Team is running a 6-2, with setters and middles "opposite". There are also two left-side hitters and two right-side hitters in this lineup. Washington ran this lineup 2-3 years ago. It looks like this by serving order: Setter - LS - RS - MH - LS - RS When setter gets to front row (and middle to serve) you sub in your other setter/middle tandem. Libero typically comes in for the RS in back row, but they could also come in for LS if desired, or asymmetrically. I'm contemplating this alignment for my team next year. One question for which I've yet to establish an answer: what is the best thing to do if you run out of subs? I suppose it would play just the same as if a standard 6-2 setup in which you leave one setter in the front row and have a RS play right back, just that in this case it would be the middle staying in to play right back. That is the usual case for back-row when out of subs. But you could leave a RS in back and libero your middle asymmetrically. In the front row I have seen a couple of options used depending on your personnel. A) LS and RS stay blocking on the pins as normal, with front row setter trying to block from middle, ala the hybrid oriental offense. Usual requires serving tough so that teams don't exploit the setter too much as a weaker blocker. Allows hitters to hit from normal spots and running same offensive plays (without setting middle). B) RS blocks in the middle and front-row setter blocks on right pin. Can work ok if RS has experience in middle. However, offense becomes different, but usually weaker when asking RS to block different position and hit different stuff than practiced. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 22, 2016 19:30:12 GMT -5
Only if hitting all three front-row rotations on the right. Most teams have the OPP hitting once on the left and twice on the right. On serve the OPP will hit on right side in every rotation. On serve receive the OPP will hit on the left in ros 1 and 2 and only on the right in ro 3. Wrong. |
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Post by kokyu on Jan 22, 2016 20:13:37 GMT -5
On serve the OPP will hit on right side in every rotation. On serve receive the OPP will hit on the left in ros 1 and 2 and only on the right in ro 3. Wrong. You play picnic ball without rotation violations, legal doubles/carries, and over on one? jajajajaja |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 20:41:49 GMT -5
The numbers stay the same, you don't have to start a set in ro 1. Understood, although some people just call their first server Ro 1. Not many, but some. My question remains, however: Why are you in Ro 2 when your setter is in zone 6? I don't see how that makes things clearer. |
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