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Post by John Tawa-VolleyballMag.com on Apr 14, 2016 22:27:35 GMT -5
There are only six players listed on the current roster and two female assistant coaches have gone elsewhere in the past couple of years. I am not there,obviously, but those red flags together with a player or two coming forward while using their names make a deep impression on me.
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 14, 2016 22:33:17 GMT -5
I would be inclined to think that Wake Forest is acting under legal advisement.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 15, 2016 5:50:41 GMT -5
There's a reason why an alleged abusive coach who went 4-16 last year in the ACC still has his job while VCU ditched their successul coach who the players actually liked. Corruption.
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Post by vbman100 on Apr 15, 2016 9:13:30 GMT -5
If only they could get some sort of evidence, like a video or audio of these things. I wish we had technology available that would make that possible. Maybe someday something as small as your cell phone would be able to be to do something like that.
Or if any of their games were on TV we may be able to see some of these actions that make them so scared during matches.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 15, 2016 14:52:06 GMT -5
Wake Forest tapes all of their practices. They went to the tape after the initial allegations. This is how they cleared him the first time.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 15, 2016 16:26:28 GMT -5
There are only six players listed on the current roster and two female assistant coaches have gone elsewhere in the past couple of years. I am not there,obviously, but those red flags together with a player or two coming forward while using their names make a deep impression on me. No matter what you qualify as "abuse," if there are only 6 girls left, he's lost the team - literally - and it's time for a change.
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2016 16:57:55 GMT -5
There are only six players listed on the current roster and two female assistant coaches have gone elsewhere in the past couple of years. I am not there,obviously, but those red flags together with a player or two coming forward while using their names make a deep impression on me. No matter what you qualify as "abuse," if there are only 6 girls left, he's lost the team - literally - and it's time for a change. By my count, he had exactly one non-senior leave the program. There are plenty of coaches with much worse turnover rates.
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Post by Mocha on Apr 15, 2016 17:25:38 GMT -5
Players probably thought, "hey, it worked at Arkansas."
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Post by williams on Apr 15, 2016 19:11:09 GMT -5
I am not a labor lawyer, so this may be totally incorrect. Maybe there is someone with more knowledge who could comment. last year, a regional National Labor Relations Board ruled that scholarship athletes are employees (Northwestern football). The national NLRB did not overrule that finding but declined to hear the case. It is possible that this coach's behavior would be viewed as creating a hostile work environment: www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/harassment.cfm. Given the cost of Wake tuition, maybe the player who left the program could sue Wake for allowing a hostile work environment. It would be an interesting case especially with the regional NLRB ruling in the Northwestern Football case.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 15, 2016 21:30:52 GMT -5
I am not a labor lawyer, so this may be totally incorrect. Maybe there is someone with more knowledge who could comment. last year, a regional National Labor Relations Board ruled that scholarship athletes are employees (Northwestern football). The national NLRB did not overrule that finding but declined to hear the case. It is possible that this coach's behavior would be viewed as creating a hostile work environment: www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/harassment.cfm. Given the cost of Wake tuition, maybe the player who left the program could sue Wake for allowing a hostile work environment. It would be an interesting case especially with the regional NLRB ruling in the Northwestern Football case. The NLRB did the opposite, actually - the board declined the player's petition to unionize, denying the players claim that they were university employees. Which killed - for the time being at least - the unionization movement in college sports.
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Post by williams on Apr 15, 2016 22:37:02 GMT -5
I am not a labor lawyer, so this may be totally incorrect. Maybe there is someone with more knowledge who could comment. last year, a regional National Labor Relations Board ruled that scholarship athletes are employees (Northwestern football). The national NLRB did not overrule that finding but declined to hear the case. It is possible that this coach's behavior would be viewed as creating a hostile work environment: www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/harassment.cfm. Given the cost of Wake tuition, maybe the player who left the program could sue Wake for allowing a hostile work environment. It would be an interesting case especially with the regional NLRB ruling in the Northwestern Football case. The NLRB did the opposite, actually - the board declined the player's petition to unionize, denying the players claim that they were university employees. Which killed - for the time being at least - the unionization movement in college sports. I thought that the national NLRB just didn't choose to hear the case but did not overturn the regional NLRB: www.jwj.org/post-game-analysis-what-really-happened-in-the-northwestern-football-union-case. Like I said, I am absolutely no expert here so you are probably correct.
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Post by hammer on Apr 15, 2016 22:54:01 GMT -5
I would be inclined to think that Wake Forest is acting under legal advisement. I understand why the administration must be careful, but they should always have policies in place that allow the AD or President to suspend a coach if a preponderance of evidence indicates the necessity for that action.
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 16, 2016 11:44:13 GMT -5
There are only six players listed on the current roster and two female assistant coaches have gone elsewhere in the past couple of years. I am not there,obviously, but those red flags together with a player or two coming forward while using their names make a deep impression on me. No matter what you qualify as "abuse," if there are only 6 girls left, he's lost the team - literally - and it's time for a change. There are 7 on the roster, because they graduated 4 and 1 left. Many programs have small rosters in spring, for the exact same reason. It certainly does not mean they have "lost the team" or is a "red flag".
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Post by Vballin on Apr 16, 2016 17:25:10 GMT -5
Some of these claims blow my mind. Honestly how do you make up a story about a girl having to write a 4 page apology for eating 2 breadsticks instead of 1 at Olive Garden!!!! Hahaha! That's nuts!!! The more and more people that step forward and how similar their stories are is definitely concerning but all that remain anonymous in my opinion hold no weight. If you are going to go after someone's livelihood you better have the balls to use your name and not be anonymous. If the allegations are true then he has 0 business being in this profession and affecting so many young people in such a negative way. If these allegations are falsified in any way or exaggerated my best wishes go out to him and his family since these children could be ruining their future and lives. Either way it's a lose lose in my book and so unfortunate I know a girl on the team. She lost so much weight I didn't recognize her. She told me the coach is obsessed with their weight and getting them very thin. I believe he has a serious problem and needs to be fired.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 16, 2016 17:43:51 GMT -5
Some of these claims blow my mind. Honestly how do you make up a story about a girl having to write a 4 page apology for eating 2 breadsticks instead of 1 at Olive Garden!!!! Hahaha! That's nuts!!! The more and more people that step forward and how similar their stories are is definitely concerning but all that remain anonymous in my opinion hold no weight. If you are going to go after someone's livelihood you better have the balls to use your name and not be anonymous. If the allegations are true then he has 0 business being in this profession and affecting so many young people in such a negative way. If these allegations are falsified in any way or exaggerated my best wishes go out to him and his family since these children could be ruining their future and lives. Either way it's a lose lose in my book and so unfortunate I know a girl on the team. She lost so much weight I didn't recognize her. She told me the coach is obsessed with their weight and getting them very thin. I believe he has a serious problem and needs to be fired. Somebody is not telling the truth. The coach The players The administration needs to act and hire independent legal body to investigate and give a verdict to the President of the university.
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