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Post by Northern lights on Apr 16, 2016 19:36:34 GMT -5
Let's try to remember the nature of the coach athlete relationship. These girls have been playing for years under demanding coaches with all types of personalities. We ask them to accept direction, not complain, do your job, team first.
It goes against all that for an athlete to stand up and speak publicly. Especially when it is not sexual misconduct, rather strange behaviour that could be open to interpretation.
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Post by Vballin on Apr 16, 2016 20:05:34 GMT -5
I know a girl on the team. She lost so much weight I didn't recognize her. She told me the coach is obsessed with their weight and getting them very thin. I believe he has a serious problem and needs to be fired. Somebody is not telling the truth. The coach The players The administration needs to act and hire independent legal body to investigate and give a verdict to the President of the university. Agree. When I saw this girl I thought she was sick because she was so frail looking. Then she casually commented that the coach prefers them to be very skinny. So now hearing that he allegedly had a girl write an apology letter for eating more than one bread stick, leads me to believe the girls over the coach. Really does need to be investigated.
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Post by roadkill on Apr 18, 2016 11:27:59 GMT -5
Wow. Strong comments by a poster on the second article. Continued employment at WFU is a bigger mystery than Stonehenge. A list of Ken Murczek’s coaching practices over the past 6 years. (UNT and WFU) 1. Players referred to as f_____ stupid, f_____ dumb, f_____ retarded. 2. Verbal tirades until some players are literally broken. 3. Put downs. Nothing is ever "good enough." Scholarships threatened. 4. Bad plays are the players fault. Good plays are because of coaching. 5. When players individually approached him with concerns there is long term retribution. 6. Forcing players to cheer during punishment drills then yell at the players for cheering. 7. Writing punishments were also given to individual players after answering obscure questions wrong. Player(s) were required to write the correct answer 50 times. 8. Throwing things at players 9. Players were coerced into hugging the coaching staff before and after practices as well as times players saw him on or off campus. Frontal hugs were preferred over side hugs. He tells players they must approach him and “greet” him if they see him "even if it makes their boyfriends jealous. Note: All of the hugging ceased during and after the Title IX investigation. 10. Players think it is in their own best interest to act fake around recruits as to how things are really like. 11. Controlling food intake to the point players asked parents to “sneak in” food on road trips. 12. Pits players against players 13. The majority of past and present players have zero belief in athletic administration and school administration in the removal of Ken and thus are afraid to publicly go on the record. 14 When HBO was investigating, players were cautioned against speaking to the media by Ron Wellman. Players were provided a 12 year old newspaper article about women athletes being physically attacked and or even raped by those pretending to be media. So in other words best not to talk to media. This is the article provided to the team in 2014. www.sfgate.com/sports/a... 15. School admin is keenly and clearly aware of all of the above.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 18, 2016 13:20:04 GMT -5
Brutal articles from school newspaper from April 14, 2016.
The Administration has to ask for an independent and comprehensive university investigation into the women's volleyball program.
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Post by vboldskool on Apr 18, 2016 13:59:33 GMT -5
Brutal articles from school newspaper from April 14, 2016. The Administration has to ask for an independent and comprehensive university investigation into the women's volleyball program. No, no they don't. They don't HAVE to do anything. It will be far cheaper to just fire him than to hire independent council and do an investigation, but I don't want to suggest that either will happen.
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Post by montechello on Apr 18, 2016 14:11:31 GMT -5
Julie Hermann is available to take over the job at Wake.
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 18, 2016 15:14:00 GMT -5
Wow. Strong comments by a poster on the second article. Continued employment at WFU is a bigger mystery than Stonehenge. A list of Ken Murczek’s coaching practices over the past 6 years. (UNT and WFU) 1. Players referred to as f_____ stupid, f_____ dumb, f_____ retarded. 2. Verbal tirades until some players are literally broken. 3. Put downs. Nothing is ever "good enough." Scholarships threatened. 4. Bad plays are the players fault. Good plays are because of coaching. 5. When players individually approached him with concerns there is long term retribution. 6. Forcing players to cheer during punishment drills then yell at the players for cheering. 7. Writing punishments were also given to individual players after answering obscure questions wrong. Player(s) were required to write the correct answer 50 times. 8. Throwing things at players 9. Players were coerced into hugging the coaching staff before and after practices as well as times players saw him on or off campus. Frontal hugs were preferred over side hugs. He tells players they must approach him and “greet” him if they see him "even if it makes their boyfriends jealous. Note: All of the hugging ceased during and after the Title IX investigation. 10. Players think it is in their own best interest to act fake around recruits as to how things are really like. 11. Controlling food intake to the point players asked parents to “sneak in” food on road trips. 12. Pits players against players 13. The majority of past and present players have zero belief in athletic administration and school administration in the removal of Ken and thus are afraid to publicly go on the record. 14 When HBO was investigating, players were cautioned against speaking to the media by Ron Wellman. Players were provided a 12 year old newspaper article about women athletes being physically attacked and or even raped by those pretending to be media. So in other words best not to talk to media. This is the article provided to the team in 2014. www.sfgate.com/sports/a... 15. School admin is keenly and clearly aware of all of the above. If the allegations as listed above are correct, then Ken Murczek is an a--hole, and Wake Forest is blowing this one badly.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 18, 2016 15:41:13 GMT -5
Julie Hermann is available to take over the job at Wake. Thats my line................
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Post by bigfan on Apr 18, 2016 15:43:16 GMT -5
Brutal articles from school newspaper from April 14, 2016. The Administration has to ask for an independent and comprehensive university investigation into the women's volleyball program. No, no they don't. They don't HAVE to do anything. It will be far cheaper to just fire him than to hire independent council and do an investigation, but I don't want to suggest that either will happen. I cant help it that you are either a student, alumni or booster of Wake Forest...................that school is being run by a BUNCH OF INCOMPETENT LOSERS.
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Post by spikeninja on Apr 19, 2016 1:20:10 GMT -5
The kicker for me is the following.... 1. I have had friends and colleagues of mine get fired for one one-hundredth of this crap. Some of it is tough coaching which I have no issue with. Some of it is just quirky, idiotic coaching for the generation we deal with. Very little of it is abusive in my opinion. If it was abusive it wouldn't be allowed in womens basketball, which it is. Some yes is abusive or hostile. But i know coaches who get to go from job to job doing the same crap. All for the purpose for "best hiring practices".
It's called a changover.....
2. There is story after story of female coaches who do the same crap all of you say is abuse. But when it comes from a female coach it's just being tough. Sorry everyone. Can't have it both ways. That includes Wake Forest administration. Perhaps they have a coach, a storied and entrenched coach, on their staff with similar practices and yet haven't fired them. I'm just speculating. And because of this, they can't act because of potential legal action from Ken. Or they can't or won't afford paying out a contract and are simply riding it out until they don't have to sign an extension. Idk. What I do know is this, if Ken had different plumbing, he would have lost the team like he has, but no administration would have batted an eyelash. They got their gender equity hire, now let's go watch the football game, be average, and still make bowl like half the other schools.
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Post by bigdfromla on Apr 19, 2016 2:10:54 GMT -5
As a high school coach for girls basketball and softball since 1996, the conduct of this coach absolutely sickens me. He is a disgrace. We as coaches need to realize that the young women we coach are vulnerable and we are responsible for their needs. We need to protect them, guide them and offer them the most positive experience possible for them to gain from their athletic efforts. It is a privilege for us to be in the coaching profession, and we need to treat that responsibility with the highest level of honor and integrity towards our players and their needs. Coaches, teachers, clergy, parents, mentors have enormous power to screw up the psyche/well being of our subjects. A major portion of their lives are in our hands, as they play for us, especially at the college level. I have zero respect or regard for coaches like this guy, who uses his position to abuse and destroy vulnerable young women who need and deserve so much more than they received. He is a scumbag. He can rot in hell for all I care...I wouldn't piss on the guy if he were on fire. A disgrace to not only the coaching profession, but humanity.
Wake Forest University...how the mighty have fallen. Remember their powerhouse basketball program? Tim Duncan. Perennial contenders in the ACC and the national scene. It's like they have disappeared. They have fallen off the face of the basketball earth for the last five years. The whole athletic department is a joke...WF football...lol. Pathetic, second-rate athletic departments produce and enable coaches like this lowlife.
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Post by BeiBei on Apr 19, 2016 4:01:06 GMT -5
wake forest university should change to wake up university
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Post by gobruins on Apr 19, 2016 6:24:50 GMT -5
As a high school coach for girls basketball and softball since 1996, the conduct of this coach absolutely sickens me. He is a disgrace. We as coaches need to realize that the young women we coach are vulnerable and we are responsible for their needs. We need to protect them, guide them and offer them the most positive experience possible for them to gain from their athletic efforts. It is a privilege for us to be in the coaching profession, and we need to treat that responsibility with the highest level of honor and integrity towards our players and their needs. Coaches, teachers, clergy, parents, mentors have enormous power to screw up the psyche/well being of our subjects. A major portion of their lives are in our hands, as they play for us, especially at the college level. I have zero respect or regard for coaches like this guy, who uses his position to abuse and destroy vulnerable young women who need and deserve so much more than they received. He is a scumbag. He can rot in hell for all I care...I wouldn't piss on the guy if he were on fire. A disgrace to not only the coaching profession, but humanity. Wake Forest University...how the mighty have fallen. Remember their powerhouse basketball program? Tim Duncan. Perennial contenders in the ACC and the national scene. It's like they have disappeared. They have fallen off the face of the basketball earth for the last five years. The whole athletic department is a joke...WF football...lol. Pathetic, second-rate athletic departments produce and enable coaches like this lowlife. Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 19, 2016 9:45:50 GMT -5
As a high school coach for girls basketball and softball since 1996, the conduct of this coach absolutely sickens me. He is a disgrace. We as coaches need to realize that the young women we coach are vulnerable and we are responsible for their needs. We need to protect them, guide them and offer them the most positive experience possible for them to gain from their athletic efforts. It is a privilege for us to be in the coaching profession, and we need to treat that responsibility with the highest level of honor and integrity towards our players and their needs. Coaches, teachers, clergy, parents, mentors have enormous power to screw up the psyche/well being of our subjects. A major portion of their lives are in our hands, as they play for us, especially at the college level. I have zero respect or regard for coaches like this guy, who uses his position to abuse and destroy vulnerable young women who need and deserve so much more than they received. He is a scumbag. He can rot in hell for all I care...I wouldn't piss on the guy if he were on fire. A disgrace to not only the coaching profession, but humanity. Wake Forest University...how the mighty have fallen. Remember their powerhouse basketball program? Tim Duncan. Perennial contenders in the ACC and the national scene. It's like they have disappeared. They have fallen off the face of the basketball earth for the last five years. The whole athletic department is a joke...WF football...lol. Pathetic, second-rate athletic departments produce and enable coaches like this lowlife. Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. I mean, it's pretty harsh, but I can't say I disagree with any of it. I probably wouldn't say it publicly, but you know, those are the people I like. The ones who say what everyone is thinking. To the guy earlier who said it's sad because other coaches have gotten fired for significantly less, that is the disturbing part of all of this. Universities don't always care to investigate. They always say they are going to take a report, act like they are listening and caring, say they will investigate, but really do nothing. Or cover up what the student(s) claims. Wake Forest's program was pretty horrible in the ACC last year. They went 4-16 and THREE of those four victories were in five sets against the weakest teams (Notre Dame, Clemson, Boston College, Virginia) They were 5-15 in 2013, 6-12 in 2014. There is a way to be a tough coach while still earning respect from your players.
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Post by sandman32 on Apr 19, 2016 9:48:05 GMT -5
Removed.
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