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Post by vboldskool on Apr 27, 2016 8:19:38 GMT -5
Of course Heather was already the assistant head coach and her brother was the head coach, so not unexpected and undoubtedly a package deal. That is exactly the type of situation I was thinking. There must be plenty of cases where the job is not advertised because the replacement has been decided before the announcement that the coach is leaving. USC didn't advertise when Mick Haley took over for Jerritt Elliott. Of course he was hired two seasons earlier. I wonder if USC had second thoughts by the time it was actually time for Haley to take over? Isn't this how John Cook was brought in at Nebraska? He left Wisconsin to be an assistant for a year under Terry Pettit and when Pettit retired Cook took over? Correct, 1999; but he had also been Pettit's top assistant prior to his time at Wisky and the 1992 Olympics. |
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Post by gigibear on Apr 27, 2016 14:26:59 GMT -5
Cursing isn't demeaning.....  If you try this behaviour with your wife, your mother or your sister things are not going to go well for you. Constant verbal assault is unnecessary and just tells me somebody has to learn some new words. This is not the Army and most girls do not sign up for this type of behaviour. Must have been some recruiting visit....ala Jekyll and Hyde. Know what happens when it's constant....people tune you out...so the next step, the curse bard gets in your face shouting profanities, so then not only does the receipient tune you out, they shut down, and start plotting revenge, aka "resignation." Cursing in and of itself is not demeaning. I will use myself as a good example. My use of "profanity" evolved. First, I never used it. Then I used it too often. Then I used it infrequently. After 11 years I came to the conclusion that never using it was fine, using it too much diminished the impact and I felt unprofessional, but using it purposefully but infrequently allowed me to grab attention very effectively. I was far from a perfect coach, and have my share of weaknesses, but I can never remember being accused of being demeaning. Back to my original point, and what I wrote originally. Cursing is not demeaning, but being demeaning can involve swearing: "We have to get our s*** together right now" is not demeaning. "You are a piece of s***" is demeaning. Cursing is contextual. Who you are coaching matters. Let's go kick some f***ing a$$ out there. - not inappropriate for a college coach. Highly inappropriate for a middle school coach. To give perspective, if I said something like that to my college team, it would actually lighten the mood because it would be unexpected and out of character from what they expect. I'd probably get a bunch of laughs, a lot of smiles, and great energy coming out of the huddle/locker room, etc... Cultural norms are important. Liberty University is probably not going to tolerate their coach using profanity, yet I don't think a random Big 12 coach swearing would cause anyone in the gym to bat an eye, it's a cultural difference. (I will also note that when I played for what it's worth the most profane and vulgar crowd that I played in front of was at a very strict religious school). Frequency is important. If you drop 'f' bombs every other word, then that's serving no real purpose except that's how the coach talks. I would agree that is unprofessional. Environment is important. I would be much more hesitant to swear in an end of the year banquet in front of friends, and families then I would in a practice gym. The banquet may have young children, it's a more eloquent environment, it has a significantly greater chance of being viewed negatively. My point is simply that swearing while maybe unprofessional given the situation, isn't demeaning. Being demeaning may involve cursing, but it's not an inherent by product. I've sworn in front of my mom, wife, and sister but I've never demeaned them in the process. ****** For me, profanity should be so rare that the audience actually gasps at the utterance. Which is why when I use an F word now and again, people look at me strangely. Potty mouth grown ups are so tiresome....I actually take people less seriously when they have to go there. I get young people like to use it mostly for shock value, but I expect a leader (coach) to have a higher standard....you know, have more words in their vocabulary and used in an artful, impactful and intriguing manner that it catches and holds the interest of their audience. To each his own. |
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Post by d3coach on Apr 27, 2016 18:20:01 GMT -5
Cursing in and of itself is not demeaning. I will use myself as a good example. My use of "profanity" evolved. First, I never used it. Then I used it too often. Then I used it infrequently. After 11 years I came to the conclusion that never using it was fine, using it too much diminished the impact and I felt unprofessional, but using it purposefully but infrequently allowed me to grab attention very effectively. I was far from a perfect coach, and have my share of weaknesses, but I can never remember being accused of being demeaning. Back to my original point, and what I wrote originally. Cursing is not demeaning, but being demeaning can involve swearing: "We have to get our s*** together right now" is not demeaning. "You are a piece of s***" is demeaning. Cursing is contextual. Who you are coaching matters. Let's go kick some f***ing a$$ out there. - not inappropriate for a college coach. Highly inappropriate for a middle school coach. To give perspective, if I said something like that to my college team, it would actually lighten the mood because it would be unexpected and out of character from what they expect. I'd probably get a bunch of laughs, a lot of smiles, and great energy coming out of the huddle/locker room, etc... Cultural norms are important. Liberty University is probably not going to tolerate their coach using profanity, yet I don't think a random Big 12 coach swearing would cause anyone in the gym to bat an eye, it's a cultural difference. (I will also note that when I played for what it's worth the most profane and vulgar crowd that I played in front of was at a very strict religious school). Frequency is important. If you drop 'f' bombs every other word, then that's serving no real purpose except that's how the coach talks. I would agree that is unprofessional. Environment is important. I would be much more hesitant to swear in an end of the year banquet in front of friends, and families then I would in a practice gym. The banquet may have young children, it's a more eloquent environment, it has a significantly greater chance of being viewed negatively. My point is simply that swearing while maybe unprofessional given the situation, isn't demeaning. Being demeaning may involve cursing, but it's not an inherent by product. I've sworn in front of my mom, wife, and sister but I've never demeaned them in the process. ****** For me, profanity should be so rare that the audience actually gasps at the utterance. Which is why when I use an F word now and again, people look at me strangely. Potty mouth grown ups are so tiresome....I actually take people less seriously when they have to go there. I get young people like to use it mostly for shock value, but I expect a leader (coach) to have a higher standard....you know, have more words in their vocabulary and used in an artful, impactful and intriguing manner that it catches and holds the interest of their audience. To each his own. I'm fine with you taking that stance for yourself, your teams, your family, etc... But it doesn't justify calling others who disagree demeaning for their use of it. That word is overused and people need to understand the power it holds. |
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 27, 2016 18:41:47 GMT -5
I don't curse AT people to their face (e.g., "F**k you, Jimmy!"). I curse ABOUT people behind their backs (e.g., "F**k that c**tface Jimmy!"). I also write a lot of curse words in my writings. But I don't yell obscenities or expletives AT people. Oh, I've done it a few times but I immediately got chills up my spine. It just felt wrong. So I stopped doing it. I can't see how it's effective in getting people to do what you want them to do. I think all it does is make them angry and plot against you.
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Post by gigibear on Apr 28, 2016 11:42:04 GMT -5
****** For me, profanity should be so rare that the audience actually gasps at the utterance. Which is why when I use an F word now and again, people look at me strangely. Potty mouth grown ups are so tiresome....I actually take people less seriously when they have to go there. I get young people like to use it mostly for shock value, but I expect a leader (coach) to have a higher standard....you know, have more words in their vocabulary and used in an artful, impactful and intriguing manner that it catches and holds the interest of their audience. To each his own. I'm fine with you taking that stance for yourself, your teams, your family, etc... But it doesn't justify calling others who disagree demeaning for their use of it. That word is overused and people need to understand the power it holds. You are right...I apologize...bad day at the office. |
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Post by jollyvolley on May 1, 2016 11:34:40 GMT -5
Heard there are issues with bullying of players by other players on this WFU team. Seems like some of the players are insecure and adopting Murczek's style. Complex job for the next coach.
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Post by Phaedrus on May 1, 2016 12:12:41 GMT -5
One way, I'm not saying the only way, is to clean house.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on May 1, 2016 15:14:55 GMT -5
It really sucks for the girls who are coming in. This class of 2016 has some talent as well as 2017. There are already some solid players there. Caroline Wolf is one of them.
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Post by onfiya on May 1, 2016 15:58:42 GMT -5
Why is that?
They are going to the school of their dreams, and I doubt any of them were committed to Wake solely because of Coach Murczek...
Not saying that they may not have liked him, but they all certainly must have been aware of the situation before they committed there.
To me, it's the best of all worlds. Great school, better environment.
Now winning a lot???
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on May 1, 2016 16:18:02 GMT -5
Why is that? They are going to the school of their dreams, and I doubt any of them were committed to Wake solely because of Coach Murczek... Not saying that they may not have liked him, but they all certainly must have been aware of the situation before they committed there. To me, it's the best of all worlds. Great school, better environment. Now winning a lot??? I was responding to the clearing of the house mentioned in the post above mine. It would suck for them if that were the case. |
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on May 1, 2016 16:48:38 GMT -5
A coach with decent leadership skills will sort it out.
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Post by Northern lights on May 2, 2016 16:23:10 GMT -5
A coach with decent leadership skills will sort it out. It will take a while, at least in the win loss area. |
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Post by thetraveler1410 on May 6, 2016 10:07:45 GMT -5
Nia Parker Robinson previously committed to Wake Forest for the class of 2017, it is now going to attend Northwestern University.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 6:18:36 GMT -5
So does he get another head coaching job or does someone allow him to be an Assistant? I think people like this don't deserve another chance to coach in the college ranks but somehow they keep getting jobs. He's got a dubious reputation so is that enough to keep him from landing a decent job?
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Post by vinnielopes on Jul 6, 2016 0:37:08 GMT -5
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