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Post by ironhammer on May 1, 2016 20:20:57 GMT -5
Well I think you did miss, you just did not read them yet at that point. Look at the timestamps. As of the time I'm writing this, 8:14 pm CT, your original post I replied to was made 47 minutes ago. My response was 41 minutes ago. Your edit, in which you included those points you said I did not read, occurred 35 minutes ago. I was referring to your response to vup. By that time I have already edited my post and you should have read that already.
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Post by ironhammer on May 1, 2016 20:22:43 GMT -5
Yes, I agree 100%, there is more to being on the national team than just talent. Just don't assume I was only thinking about talent with my post. Don't put words in my mouth, man. Don't put words in my mouth by telling me I put words in your mouth. Well, you clearly did. Nowhere in my original post did I say physical talent was all that mattered. You just created that out of thin air.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:32:53 GMT -5
Look at the timestamps. As of the time I'm writing this, 8:14 pm CT, your original post I replied to was made 47 minutes ago. My response was 41 minutes ago. Your edit, in which you included those points you said I did not read, occurred 35 minutes ago. I was referring to your response to vup. By that time I have already edited my post and you should have read that already. I thought you were referring to the one where you said: "Perhaps you should read my whole post before jumping to a response? That way you won't look so silly."
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Post by ironhammer on May 1, 2016 20:35:41 GMT -5
I was referring to your response to vup. By that time I have already edited my post and you should have read that already. I thought you were referring to the one where you said: "Perhaps you should read my whole post before jumping to a response? That way you won't look so silly." Well you should have read my post by the time you respond to vup. In any case, I see you are avoiding the issue that have triggered our little conversation, you implying something in my post that I did not say. My response to you is valid because regardless of whether I edited my original post, you should have read it in full, that way you won't have a misunderstanding. If you implied I was thinking only of physical talent, then clearly you haven't read my original carefully.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:37:58 GMT -5
Don't put words in my mouth by telling me I put words in your mouth. Well, you clearly did. Nowhere in my original post did I say physical talent was all that mattered. You just created that out of thin air. This was your original, unedited post that I replied to: "All this talk about her character, family drama and her life in general is all nice and well. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is whether her being on the team can help the US team get the gold at Rio. Contributing to the team better than another player in her position would. If she can, she deserves a spot. If not, then she's out. This ain't a popularity contest or reality show. It simply comes down to whether she can do the job." You are right- the words "physical talent" do not exist anywhere in that paragraph. If you are not talking about physical talent, please explain to me what you meant by "whether her being on the team can help the US team get the gold at Rio" and "Contributing to the team better than another player in her position" and "It simply comes down to whether she can do the job."
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Post by ironhammer on May 1, 2016 20:40:31 GMT -5
Well, you clearly did. Nowhere in my original post did I say physical talent was all that mattered. You just created that out of thin air. This was your original, unedited post that I replied to: "All this talk about her character, family drama and her life in general is all nice and well. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is whether her being on the team can help the US team get the gold at Rio. Contributing to the team better than another player in her position would. If she can, she deserves a spot. If not, then she's out. This ain't a popularity contest or reality show. It simply comes down to whether she can do the job." You are right- the words "physical talent" do not exist anywhere in that paragraph. If you are not talking about physical talent, please explain to me what you meant by "whether her being on the team can help the US team get the gold at Rio" and "Contributing to the team better than another player in her position" and "It simply comes down to whether she can do the job." I already have. There is no need to repeat myself. And I'm sure you can read my original post.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:40:34 GMT -5
I thought you were referring to the one where you said: "Perhaps you should read my whole post before jumping to a response? That way you won't look so silly." Well you should have read my post by the time you respond to vup. In any case, I see you are avoiding the issue that have triggered our little conversation, you implying something in my post that I did not say. I was busy typing it when you posted this. And how do you know what I should be reading here? I took a break from this foolishness to take a 'Which Seinfeld character are you' quiz. And everyone knows I don't avoid anything on here. How dare you assert that.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:42:52 GMT -5
This was your original, unedited post that I replied to: "All this talk about her character, family drama and her life in general is all nice and well. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is whether her being on the team can help the US team get the gold at Rio. Contributing to the team better than another player in her position would. If she can, she deserves a spot. If not, then she's out. This ain't a popularity contest or reality show. It simply comes down to whether she can do the job." You are right- the words "physical talent" do not exist anywhere in that paragraph. If you are not talking about physical talent, please explain to me what you meant by "whether her being on the team can help the US team get the gold at Rio" and "Contributing to the team better than another player in her position" and "It simply comes down to whether she can do the job." I already have. There is no need to repeat myself. And I'm sure you can read my original post. Your original post is what I just quoted above. Your edited post explains off the court and character stuff, with which we agree for the most part.
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Post by ironhammer on May 1, 2016 20:45:08 GMT -5
Well you should have read my post by the time you respond to vup. In any case, I see you are avoiding the issue that have triggered our little conversation, you implying something in my post that I did not say. I was busy typing it when you posted this. And how do you know what I should be reading here? I took a break from this foolishness to take a 'Which Seinfeld character are you' quiz. And everyone knows I don't avoid anything on here. How dare you assert that. Are you getting a little hot under the collar? All this could be avoided had you been a little more careful in reading that post. Getting back to topic, Michael Jordan was a team player. So was Gretzsky. What about Hooker?
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Post by ironhammer on May 1, 2016 20:46:15 GMT -5
I already have. There is no need to repeat myself. And I'm sure you can read my original post. Your original post is what I just quoted above. Your edited post explains off the court and character stuff, with which we agree for the most part. Off the court stuff? Not really. I said whether she can play as a team player. And whether she can be counted on as a reliable player.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:54:21 GMT -5
I was busy typing it when you posted this. And how do you know what I should be reading here? I took a break from this foolishness to take a 'Which Seinfeld character are you' quiz. And everyone knows I don't avoid anything on here. How dare you assert that. Are you getting a little hot under the collar? All this could be avoided had you been a little more careful in reading that post. Getting back to topic, Michael Jordan was a team player. So was Gretzsky. What about Hooker? What was there to be more careful about? I asked you to explain what I missed and you didn't do it. Also, Michael Jordan was rumored to not be such a great teammate. Don't know about Gretzky, although I wouldn't mind dating his daughter.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:57:49 GMT -5
Your original post is what I just quoted above. Your edited post explains off the court and character stuff, with which we agree for the most part. Off the court stuff? Not really. I said whether she can play as a team player. And whether she can be counted on as a reliable player. Here is your edited post: "So it boils down to satisfying three things easentially: Does she have the talent? Yes, probably. Is she a good team player? Volleyball after all is a team sport, you need to play as a team, no matter how gifted you are individually. On that count, not so much. Finally, can she be counted on to be a clutch player, that she will be there for the team when the team needs her? Again, given her personal turmoil, the answer is uncertain. So she satisfies only 1 of the 3 requirements." Is personal turmoil not off the court stuff?
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Post by ironhammer on May 1, 2016 21:00:42 GMT -5
Off the court stuff? Not really. I said whether she can play as a team player. And whether she can be counted on as a reliable player. Here is your edited post: "So it boils down to satisfying three things easentially: Does she have the talent? Yes, probably. Is she a good team player? Volleyball after all is a team sport, you need to play as a team, no matter how gifted you are individually. On that count, not so much. Finally, can she be counted on to be a clutch player, that she will be there for the team when the team needs her? Again, given her personal turmoil, the answer is uncertain. So she satisfies only 1 of the 3 requirements." Is personal turmoil not off the court stuff? If that impacts directly on her on court performance, then it would be on court issue. Doesn't matter what specific personal issue it might be, if it negatively impacts her on court performance, any self respecting coach will have to take that under consideration.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 21:03:47 GMT -5
Here is your edited post: "So it boils down to satisfying three things easentially: Does she have the talent? Yes, probably. Is she a good team player? Volleyball after all is a team sport, you need to play as a team, no matter how gifted you are individually. On that count, not so much. Finally, can she be counted on to be a clutch player, that she will be there for the team when the team needs her? Again, given her personal turmoil, the answer is uncertain. So she satisfies only 1 of the 3 requirements." Is personal turmoil not off the court stuff? If that impacts directly on her on court performance, then it would be on court issue. So if off the court personal turmoils impact her on court performance, it becomes an on court issue. Got it.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 21:04:45 GMT -5
Here is your edited post: "So it boils down to satisfying three things easentially: Does she have the talent? Yes, probably. Is she a good team player? Volleyball after all is a team sport, you need to play as a team, no matter how gifted you are individually. On that count, not so much. Finally, can she be counted on to be a clutch player, that she will be there for the team when the team needs her? Again, given her personal turmoil, the answer is uncertain. So she satisfies only 1 of the 3 requirements." Is personal turmoil not off the court stuff? If that impacts directly on her on court performance, then it would be on court issue. Doesn't matter what specific personal issue it might be, if it negatively impacts her on court performance, any self respecting coach will have to take that under consideration. Here you are up to your editing tricks again.
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