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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 9:50:29 GMT -5
The NCAA set themselves up for a couple of home matches for the play-ins and decided against it. I wonder if the money saved was worth the lack of attendance. And people thought Stanford was bad last year. Haha We'll see if it will be worse tomorrow night and Saturday night compared to last year. I'll be there with a first hand look. Guaranteed attendance, 1. Hopefully BYU travels well. How difficult would it be to get travel information/flights for the next day? Win at 10pm and have to fly out the next morning. They would have to move the Play-in match to a Friday or Saturday the week before the NCAA 4 team bracket. They have the extra week now built into the conference schedules.
Let's be honest this is men's volleyball. This year and the past 2 years have had low attendance in play-in matches. NCAA and USA Volleyball target the women's game. $$$. It is hard to grow the game when the 2 organizations don't view it a priority. Oh they say it is, but we all know how that goes.
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Post by yorktowne12 on May 4, 2016 10:04:41 GMT -5
Currently PA is in high school season. So a lot of us who would attend and who have athletes who played for our club in playoffs would go watch if we could. Everyone is playing our final 1.5 weeks before playoffs in high school. So nobody can get to the Quarters or Semis! Both are big match nights. This Saturday - A few tournaments are going on as well!
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 4, 2016 10:59:10 GMT -5
There are a lot of layers to growing attendance at matches like this. Some rapid-fire thoughts:
*Vinnie Lopes does a fantastic job of educating those of us who care about storylines/rivalries/statistics in Men's College Volleyball. The question is, how do we generate interest in learning about all of those things to the casual player/athlete?
*The point about kids still being in their season is a huge obstacle, and I'm not sure if there's a solution to it.
*If we can't get better attendance for these games, they may as well accept it and focus more on getting more interest in the broadcast. We're still going to have to do more than send links: We need to show kids/fans WHY they want to watch these matches.
*I think it'd be great if we started seeing teams going to the local clubs/schools and talk with the kids/maybe even do clinics/exhibitions. Imagine if every team did this a few times throughout the year - it'd make a big difference in a) making the players recognizable by the local community b) creating fans of the program.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 11:02:45 GMT -5
There are a lot of layers to growing attendance at matches like this. Some rapid-fire thoughts: *Vinnie Lopes does a fantastic job of educating those of us who care about storylines/rivalries/statistics in Men's College Volleyball. The question is, how do we generate interest in learning about all of those things to the casual player/athlete? *The point about kids still being in their season is a huge obstacle, and I'm not sure if there's a solution to it. *If we can't get better attendance for these games, they may as well accept it and focus more on getting more interest in the broadcast. We're still going to have to do more than send links: We need to show kids/fans WHY they want to watch these matches. *I think it'd be great if we started seeing teams going to the local clubs/schools and talk with the kids/maybe even do clinics/exhibitions. Imagine if every team did this a few times throughout the year - it'd make a big difference in a) making the players recognizable by the local community b) creating fans of the program. Last point, may be a NCAA violation.
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Post by vball1818 on May 4, 2016 11:31:12 GMT -5
The biggest obstacle for the Long Island club families is lack of hotel rooms for the weekend. Tough to drive 5-6 hours and then have to drive an hour plus for a hotel room. And being an SAT Saturday doesn't help.
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Post by volleyballer4life on May 4, 2016 11:45:21 GMT -5
There are a lot of layers to growing attendance at matches like this. Some rapid-fire thoughts: *Vinnie Lopes does a fantastic job of educating those of us who care about storylines/rivalries/statistics in Men's College Volleyball. The question is, how do we generate interest in learning about all of those things to the casual player/athlete? *The point about kids still being in their season is a huge obstacle, and I'm not sure if there's a solution to it. *If we can't get better attendance for these games, they may as well accept it and focus more on getting more interest in the broadcast. We're still going to have to do more than send links: We need to show kids/fans WHY they want to watch these matches. *I think it'd be great if we started seeing teams going to the local clubs/schools and talk with the kids/maybe even do clinics/exhibitions. Imagine if every team did this a few times throughout the year - it'd make a big difference in a) making the players recognizable by the local community b) creating fans of the program. Last point, may be a NCAA violation.
You would have to work within the NCAA's parameters and there would be restrictions (and I don't have the time to break down each by-law), but I'm fairly confident there's a way to get our athletes in front of kids without it being a violation. I realize things would have to be put into place in order to avoid turning this into a recruiting advantage.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 11:56:53 GMT -5
Last point, may be a NCAA violation.
You would have to work within the NCAA's parameters and there would be restrictions (and I don't have the time to break down each by-law), but I'm fairly confident there's a way to get our athletes in front of kids without it being a violation. I realize things would have to be put into place in order to avoid turning this into a recruiting advantage. Nobody has time for anything these days.
Ideas are ideas. This topic comes up every year.
They used to have a NCAA "YES" program with the Men's NCAA Tournament. Well that doesn't happen anymore.
SoCal, Chicago, BYU, Hawaii are the best places to have the NCAA Tournament. NorCal was bad, PSU is bad, OSU will be bad next year.
Again this is men's volleyball...pipe dream boys pipe dream...
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 12:15:44 GMT -5
The NCAA set themselves up for a couple of home matches for the play-ins and decided against it. I wonder if the money saved was worth the lack of attendance. We'll see if it will be worse tomorrow night and Saturday night compared to last year. I'll be there with a first hand look. Guaranteed attendance, 1. Hopefully BYU travels well. How difficult would it be to get travel information/flights for the next day? Win at 10pm and have to fly out the next morning. They would have to move the Play-in match to a Friday or Saturday the week before the NCAA 4 team bracket. They have the extra week now built into the conference schedules.
Let's be honest this is men's volleyball. This year and the past 2 years have had low attendance in play-in matches. NCAA and USA Volleyball target the women's game. $$$. It is hard to grow the game when the 2 organizations don't view it a priority. Oh they say it is, but we all know how that goes.
Not difficult I believe. It was one year ago that the NCAA moved the Conference Finals up to Friday so there was an extra day of travel for Tuesday play-in teams. The NCAA really dropped the ball this year. There was an extra week built into the schedule but they wanted to save some $. OSU and Long Beach would have easily brought in at least several hundred more paying fans at each match. It is men's volleyball. Schools aren't even allowed to provide enough scholarship money for a starting lineup.
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Post by VB48 on May 4, 2016 12:30:48 GMT -5
You would have to work within the NCAA's parameters and there would be restrictions (and I don't have the time to break down each by-law), but I'm fairly confident there's a way to get our athletes in front of kids without it being a violation. I realize things would have to be put into place in order to avoid turning this into a recruiting advantage. Nobody has time for anything these days.
Ideas are ideas. This topic comes up every year.
They used to have a NCAA "YES" program with the Men's NCAA Tournament. Well that doesn't happen anymore.
SoCal, Chicago, BYU, Hawaii are the best places to have the NCAA Tournament. NorCal was bad, PSU is bad, OSU will be bad next year.
Again this is men's volleyball...pipe dream boys pipe dream...
Who is in charge of attendance at the NCAA tournament? Is it the host school, is it the NCAA, who gets a paycheck based on attendance at the NCAA matches? Was Stanford in charge of attendance last year, Penn State this year and Ohio State next year? Do the schools put in bids for hosting the event, or how is the host selected? What I am wondering is, why, after last year's dismal attendance at Stanford, was there not more done to increase attendance this year? If the host schools are putting in bids to host, then I assume the NCAA has attendance requirements, and the bid shows what they expect attendance to be, and how they are going to get there. Whoever was in charge of attendance at Penn State needs to be fired, as they saw what happened at Stanford, had a year to get it done, and they failed. I can only assume that whoever is in charge the event at Ohio State next year is in attendance at Penn State, and is working on a plan to get it done.
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Post by akbar on May 4, 2016 12:33:01 GMT -5
Nobody has time for anything these days.
Ideas are ideas. This topic comes up every year.
They used to have a NCAA "YES" program with the Men's NCAA Tournament. Well that doesn't happen anymore.
SoCal, Chicago, BYU, Hawaii are the best places to have the NCAA Tournament. NorCal was bad, PSU is bad, OSU will be bad next year.
Again this is men's volleyball...pipe dream boys pipe dream...
Who is in charge of attendance at the NCAA tournament? Is it the host school, is it the NCAA, who gets a paycheck based on attendance at the NCAA matches? Is it the host school? Was Stanford in charge of attendance last year, Penn State this year and Ohio State next year? Do the schools put in bids for hosting the event, or how is the host selected? What I am wondering is, why, after last year's dismal attendance at Stanford, was there not more done to increase attendance this year? If the host schools are putting in bids to host, then I assume the NCAA has attendance requirements, and the bid shows what they expect attendance to be, and how they are going to get there. Whoever was in charge of attendance at Penn State needs to be fired, as they saw what happened at Stanford, had a year to get it done, and they failed. I can only assume that whoever is in charge the event at Ohio State next year is in attendance at Penn State, and is working on a plan to get it done. Are you serious with this post?
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Post by VB48 on May 4, 2016 12:43:32 GMT -5
Who is in charge of attendance at the NCAA tournament? Is it the host school, is it the NCAA, who gets a paycheck based on attendance at the NCAA matches? Is it the host school? Was Stanford in charge of attendance last year, Penn State this year and Ohio State next year? Do the schools put in bids for hosting the event, or how is the host selected? What I am wondering is, why, after last year's dismal attendance at Stanford, was there not more done to increase attendance this year? If the host schools are putting in bids to host, then I assume the NCAA has attendance requirements, and the bid shows what they expect attendance to be, and how they are going to get there. Whoever was in charge of attendance at Penn State needs to be fired, as they saw what happened at Stanford, had a year to get it done, and they failed. I can only assume that whoever is in charge the event at Ohio State next year is in attendance at Penn State, and is working on a plan to get it done. Are you serious with this post? Yes I am serious. I am assuming someone is in charge, but maybe I am wrong. Whoever is in charge of the event at tOSU next year needs to get some butts in the seats. If they cannot, then they have no business hosting the event.
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Post by akbar on May 4, 2016 12:47:39 GMT -5
The HOST is NOT the problem.
The design of the playin match is doomed to repeat every time if it stays in its current format.
That is not the host's fault at all.
Not that we have 3 years under out belt of this 6 team format we have a mini-logitudinal study to work with.
Look to my post on suggestions. Please offer up.
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Post by VB48 on May 4, 2016 12:56:18 GMT -5
The HOST is NOT the problem. The design of the playin match is doomed to repeat every time if it stays in its current format. That is not the host's fault at all. Not that we have 3 years under out belt of this 6 team format we have a mini-logitudinal study to work with. Look to my post on suggestions. Please offer up. I did not say the host was the problem. I said that whoever is in charge of attendance is the problem. You say that the issue is with the play-in match. Does that mean we will see 2k people plus at the semifinal matches?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 13:05:07 GMT -5
I share akbar's sentiment. I don't believe that the problem is solely in the hands of the entity that is in charge of attendance at the host site. I'll reiterate some things that have been discussed on VT for the last few months and especially the last few weeks and days leading into the Tournament.
In no particular order...
- Penn State Men's Volleyball lost their conference tournament. There goes a few thousand fans right there judging by the attendance of previous tournaments at PSU when PSU was playing in it.
- Penn State campus, not easy nor affordable to access. I am flying into Pittsburgh and driving 3 hours to State College tomorrow. If anyone wants to shell out at least $500 just to fly two hours to State College, so be it.
- The 2011 Tournament at Penn State were on the same dates as this year (less the Play-Ins). Back then the graduation weekend was the week after the tournament. This year, they are on the same weekend. Someone a few days ago posted that the PSU academic calendar for 2016 graduation came out a year ago. NCAA 2016 was awarded to PSU over two years ago I believe. The NCAA got screwed but still had time to make changes. They also scheduled the Beach Volleyball Championship this same weekend which also means that 50% of the National Volleyball journalists decided to go to Gulf Shores to cover that event and not the Men's Championship leaving Vinnie to ask all the questions.
- The NCAA moved the Conference Tournaments up by one week to possibly have the Play-Ins on the Saturday before the Semifinals. It would have been April 30th that just passed. Nope, cheaper to fly four teams into State College for two meagerly attended matches on a Tuesday rather than having a stronger fan presence at Ohio State and Long Beach on a Saturday.
- The AVCA decided not to have a Spring Conference due to cost, let alone one at PSU. It's been at the Men's Site every year except 2011 when the Men's Site was PSU and the conference was held in Anaheim the weekend after. No conference means no support from coaches attending the conference. I went to last year's conference at Stanford and there were maybe just a few dozen coaches there. We saw how low the overall attendance was for the Semi's and Final. Stanford and NoCal has it's own similar problems with cost and lack of a team in the Tournament. I think people may have also been focused on Golden State's run this time last year.
Unless the person "in charge of attendance" starts giving away free tickets, I don't think much can be done but that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 13:08:33 GMT -5
Again this is men's volleyball.
I think it would be interesting to see attendance number breakdown for NCAA DI and NCAA DII Championships (Finals and Semifinals) for each sport. And each gender?
It would be funny (I mean interesting) to see how men's volleyball ranks up with the other sports. Obviously, men's/women's basketball, football will be higher. I think. hahaha
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