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Post by volleyguy on Aug 14, 2016 22:16:41 GMT -5
Well the thing about Russia is this: Kosha, Goncha, and if anyone else can score a point, great. They aren't quick. I will say that this is the absolute best I've seen Brazil play since 2008. (but only in this match) Exactly. Hopefully this will be there best match and they'll go back to the Normal level of just good. usa isn't going to underestimate them this time if we meet in the final, Last time we got cocky and they got hot and we didn't know how to respond. I don't generally like Karch but one thing is certain, he's developed his team and plan of attack around facing Brazil at the Olympics. Frankly, I think this whole "We are going to teach you to win" thing is a little suspect. We had a lot more talent in 2012 imo, and the problem then was game time adjustments, not a general lack of confidence or know how. |
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Post by Reach on Aug 14, 2016 22:35:51 GMT -5
Exactly. Hopefully this will be there best match and they'll go back to the Normal level of just good. usa isn't going to underestimate them this time if we meet in the final, Last time we got cocky and they got hot and we didn't know how to respond. I don't generally like Karch but one thing is certain, he's developed his team and plan of attack around facing Brazil at the Olympics. Frankly, I think this whole "We are going to teach you to win" thing is a little suspect. We had a lot more talent in 2012 imo, and the problem then was game time adjustments, not a general lack of confidence or know how. I agree that we had more talent but... We had literally steamrolled Brazil in the previous quad. We were unstoppable until we went and as a team we weren't prepared to handle it and thus failed. This time we know or should have learned from that. Brazil is not any better than they were in 2012. We can win. |
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 14, 2016 22:38:27 GMT -5
Frankly, I think this whole "We are going to teach you to win" thing is a little suspect. We had a lot more talent in 2012 imo, and the problem then was game time adjustments, not a general lack of confidence or know how. I agree that we had more talent but... We had literally steamrolled Brazil in the previous quad. We were unstoppable until we went and as a team we weren't prepared to handle it and thus failed. This time we know or should have learned from that. Brazil is not any better than they were in 2012. We can win. Yes, but Karch isn't any better than Hugh in match game tactics. I'm more concerned about the semis right now anyway. |
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Post by Reach on Aug 14, 2016 22:39:32 GMT -5
I agree that we had more talent but... We had literally steamrolled Brazil in the previous quad. We were unstoppable until we went and as a team we weren't prepared to handle it and thus failed. This time we know or should have learned from that. Brazil is not any better than they were in 2012. We can win. Yes, but Karch isn't any better than Hugh in match game tactics. I'm more concerned about the semis right now anyway. Agreed. |
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Post by volleyfan24 on Aug 14, 2016 23:02:25 GMT -5
Did we all just watch the same match. Brazil was strong at the pins but lacked the middle? They also were passing good but not fantastic. I have confidence in our girls. Brazil doesn't look unbeatable. We just made it out of the toughest pool and didn't drop a match. The competition is tough and the field is deep. We can't look forward to Brazil and they can't look to the USA. It's one match at a time.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 14, 2016 23:21:48 GMT -5
Did we all just watch the same match. Brazil was strong at the pins but lacked the middle? They also were passing good but not fantastic. I have confidence in our girls. Brazil doesn't look unbeatable. We just made it out of the toughest pool and didn't drop a match. The competition is tough and the field is deep. We can't look forward to Brazil and they can't look to the USA. It's one match at a time. Sure, no one is necessarily unbeatable, but they look pretty dang good right now given that they were absent most of this year. And being strong at the pins should be of concern, because we know that their middles are capable and proven. Natalia catching fire is only a good thing for them. |
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Post by jordan on Aug 15, 2016 11:54:14 GMT -5
Is "booing" really part of the Brazilian culture? That's just weird. I know its more of a culture thing but I've heard the Brazilian fans boo in almost every match (okay maybe except for Judo). Probably. It could be their "spectator culture". Or alternatively, maybe just a lack of sportsmanship. I don't think it can be attributed to a low level of "development" either. Even in Beijing, where the Chinese have a comparable level of income as average Brazillians, there were not nearly as many boos against foreign competitors as in Rio. Maybe its just down to a lack of understanding and appreciation of civility and manners. I would not be surprised if that is true. We are talking about a city with rampant and endemic crime. A country with dysfunctional governance and a contracting economy. Given that kind of bleak background, perhaps civility is the last thing on these spectator's minds. In fact, it could be, in their view, a great way to release their frustrations with booing. I was talking to a Brazilian guy sitting next to me at the dalhausser/lucena match and he explained that the boos for US athletes was due to pure jealousy - that the Americans win so much. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 15, 2016 12:29:06 GMT -5
Brazilians boo their own players all the time. It's not that serious.
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Post by Reach on Aug 15, 2016 15:12:38 GMT -5
Brazilians are JERKS.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 15, 2016 15:22:59 GMT -5
during the men's floor exercise yesterday, an american gymnast went last. and there were 2 brazilians sitting in 2nd and 3rd place. as soon as the american gymnast bobbled a little, the brazilian crowd started cheering! it rattled him for the rest of this performance, eventually committing a couple more mistakes. and each time the crowd would erupt! knowing their their gymnasts would now get medals.
it's competition, and you gotta be able to focus still and drown out the crowd. still tho, it was lame and disrespectful on the part of the brazilian fans.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 16, 2016 8:24:52 GMT -5
Probably. It could be their "spectator culture". Or alternatively, maybe just a lack of sportsmanship. I don't think it can be attributed to a low level of "development" either. Even in Beijing, where the Chinese have a comparable level of income as average Brazillians, there were not nearly as many boos against foreign competitors as in Rio. Maybe its just down to a lack of understanding and appreciation of civility and manners. I would not be surprised if that is true. We are talking about a city with rampant and endemic crime. A country with dysfunctional governance and a contracting economy. Given that kind of bleak background, perhaps civility is the last thing on these spectator's minds. In fact, it could be, in their view, a great way to release their frustrations with booing. I was talking to a Brazilian guy sitting next to me at the dalhausser/lucena match and he explained that the boos for US athletes was due to pure jealousy - that the Americans win so much. Lack of class and civility, simple as that. They boo anyone against Brazil. Understandable to an extent. But the degree they go about it indicates they got a lot to learn about sportsmanship. |
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